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ML:
As I was doing a search on Esword, I discovered something. Here is the verse where it was found:

Joh 14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep myG3450 words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

G3450
μοῦ
mou
moo
The simpler from of G1700; of me: - I, me, mine (own), my.
Total KJV occurrences: 586

G1700
ἐμοῦ
emou
em-oo'
A prolonged form of G3449; of me: - me, mine, my.
Total KJV occurrences: 109

G3449
μόχθος
mochthos
mokh'-thos
From the base of G3425; toil, that is, (by implication) sadness: - painfulness, travail.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

G3425
μόγις
mogis
mog'-is
Adverb from a primary word μόγος mogos (toil); with difficulty: - hardly.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

Here are a couple other verses with this:

Mar 9:24  And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mineG3450 unbelief.

Luk 1:44  For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in myG3450 womb for joy.

Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is myG3450 beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 

1Th 2:9  For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail:G3449 for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God. 

2Co 11:27  In weariness and painfulness,G3449 in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. 

Isaiah 53 comes to mind. But, also the birthing of wisdom:

Pro 8:24  When there were no depths, I was brought forth;H2342 when there were no fountains abounding with water. 

H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Total KJV occurrences: 58

Thoughts?

yello62:
if i understand the point you are trying to make, the process of Christ’s words taking root in us is a struggle. 

is that correct?

ML:
Never thought of it that way(kind of,) so yes.

Am thinking of how it is related too to bringing forth wisdom, and Christ.

And, to getting to that point to not be offended(stumble) on His Word.

yello62:
that’s interesting.  i don’t know that i’ve ever stumbled on the word.  been perplexed, perhaps, but in time, He has enlightened as to the meaning of those things that were perplexing.

as to the point of bringing forth Christ, we are His workanship in Christ. He has declared that if the work was begun, it will be com0leted. 

as for not stumbling, the apostle paul says that we can entreat The Father to make us solid in these things.  i would imagine that would be something you could ask for, to not stumble.

tony

John from Kentucky:

--- Quote from: ML on August 27, 2018, 06:11:45 PM ---As I was doing a search on Esword, I discovered something. Here is the verse where it was found:

Joh 14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep myG3450 words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

G3450
μοῦ
mou
moo
The simpler from of G1700; of me: - I, me, mine (own), my.
Total KJV occurrences: 586

G1700
ἐμοῦ
emou
em-oo'
A prolonged form of G3449; of me: - me, mine, my.
Total KJV occurrences: 109

G3449
μόχθος
mochthos
mokh'-thos
From the base of G3425; toil, that is, (by implication) sadness: - painfulness, travail.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

G3425
μόγις
mogis
mog'-is
Adverb from a primary word μόγος mogos (toil); with difficulty: - hardly.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

Here are a couple other verses with this:

Mar 9:24  And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mineG3450 unbelief.

Luk 1:44  For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in myG3450 womb for joy.

Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is myG3450 beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

1Th 2:9  For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail:G3449 for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

2Co 11:27  In weariness and painfulness,G3449 in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Isaiah 53 comes to mind. But, also the birthing of wisdom:

Pro 8:24  When there were no depths, I was brought forth;H2342 when there were no fountains abounding with water.

H2342
חִיל    חוּל
chûl    chı̂yl
khool, kheel
A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
Total KJV occurrences: 58

Thoughts?

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Regarding that last word you mentioned,  Ray was way ahead of you and knocked that one way out of the ballpark.  See Ray's video, "Where does God's knowledge and wisdom come from?"
In my opinion, Ray's explanation of this topic, clearly marked him as one filled with God's Holy Spirit with a unique ability to explain Scriptures.  His teaching stunned me.  Amazing.

Regarding your other statements, best I remain silent.

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