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Johnny70:
Hi Pamela,
No God does not regret (making a mistake) creating mankind as He could see ahead that was man's future - a flood. God caused the circumstances that produced such an outcome and the future could not be otherwise. God is sovereign so that cannot be the case. I believe what was being suggested or ascribed here was a human emotion - that was ANTHROPOMORPHIC. This was to relate to a human emotion of regret. As in this example the REGRET in Genesis 6:7 is the same as the JEALOUSCY in Exodus 20:5. There are many such texts. Take for example the fact that God is all powerful (Jer. 32:17,27 ), yet He rests (Gen. 2:2). We see that God is in all places (Psalm 139:7-12), yet He asks Adam, "Where are you?" (Gen. 3:9). We see that God knows all things (1 John 3:20). Yet, we see that God says, "Now I know that you fear God..." (Gen.
Gen. 6:6-7, "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." Adonai said, “I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the whole earth; and not only human beings, but animals, creeping things and birds in the air; for I REGRET that I ever made them.”
Exodus 20:5, "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a JEALOUS God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me."
Johnny
Johnny70:
Hi John,
Great to have this discussion. Before we can go on much further can you please explain the logic contained here of a Creator that is intelligent having an infinite magnitude of information available to Him and has - "created a being who is pure evil, a crooked serpent, to do the evil actions that God Himself will just not do because evil things are not in His nature." Where did the pure evil originate from that was NOT IN GOD's NATURE (to begin with I take it) that was implicit in the NATURE of Satan. What was the derivation for such pure evil? We know that God knows both good and evil Genesis 3:4-5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) The serpent said to the woman, “It is not true that you will surely die; because God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” I am not saying that God is EVIL - God is ultimately INCREDIBLELY GOOD. But God must possess as The Creator all the information on evil as you say Satan is pure evil! This information must of had been utilized in Satan's creation by God to produce the being that Satan became - a liar and a murder as you say in the purest form.
And second to that who was it that flooded the world and rained down fire on Sodom & Gomorrah - was it God or Satan.
Johnny
Musterseed:
WOW , Johnny70
I’m reading your posts and I can almost hear you speaking ,,,and I have heard you speak. Your words reflect how much you love to have DISCUSSIONS.Anthropomorphic, what the heck is that? I just don,t understand all your big
words, multiple questions,and large caps to make your point.
God is ultimately INCREDIBLY GOOD, how generous of you to bestow such an honour on our Lord .
JFK gave you an honest and sincere answer. It is a difficult truth to understand without
the spirit of God indwelling.
In Christ Pamela,
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Johnny70 on March 09, 2019, 05:55:18 PM ---Hi John,
Great to have this discussion. Before we can go on much further can you please explain the logic contained here of a Creator that is intelligent having an infinite magnitude of information available to Him and has - "created a being who is pure evil, a crooked serpent, to do the evil actions that God Himself will just not do because evil things are not in His nature." Where did the pure evil originate from that was NOT IN GOD's NATURE (to begin with I take it) that was implicit in the NATURE of Satan. What was the derivation for such pure evil? We know that God knows both good and evil Genesis 3:4-5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) The serpent said to the woman, “It is not true that you will surely die; because God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” I am not saying that God is EVIL - God is ultimately INCREDIBLELY GOOD. But God must possess as The Creator all the information on evil as you say Satan is pure evil! This information must of had been utilized in Satan's creation by God to produce the being that Satan became - a liar and a murder as you say in the purest form.
And second to that who was it that flooded the world and rained down fire on Sodom & Gomorrah - was it God or Satan.
Johnny
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Johnny,
I would never ask a question like what was God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan. I am just dust. How can dust question the logic of God? I am arrogant, but not that arrogant. Sounds like one of those questions a 15 year old would ask. Like, can God create someone greater than Himself? If He cannot, then He cannot do everything. It is a misuse of the rules of language.
God tells us His thoughts are higher than our thoughts and His ways higher than ours.
Ray asked where does God's knowledge and wisdom comes from. You should read and study his bible study on that subject. You may learn something.
One of God's attributes is patience or longsuffering. How did God obtain longsuffering? He must have not always got something He wanted. He had to wait for it.
There was not a world flood. There was a flood over a portion of the land. You err in assuming God did the flooding directly Himself and destroyed Sodom. You do not know that. You assume you know with a few Scriptures. But you ignore what the Book of Job tells us about the mechanics of Satan's actions.
You must put all the Scriptures together in order to learn truth. A little humility helps, which comes from God. Hint. Never put yourself in a position of judging the Judge of all. Accept what God does and not think you can judge His logic. You cannot advance in so doing. Never put yourself in the position thinking God is evil. He has a knowledge of good and evil, and He created it, but God is not evil.
John
Dave in Tenn:
Johnny, read the link I posted above and you'll see, I think, that you are not "wrong". Don't let any member of this forum try to spiritually one-up you. We all understand less than we think we do.
From my chair, I simply don't fret over the division of labor between the Lord of all and His tools. ALL things are OF and FOR Him. Every "evil" (a morally neutral word) is intended by our Father for good (another morally neutral word?). Ray taught that God does not rape and kill little girls. JFK says that Satan does it. I think rapists and murderers do it. Ray taught, however, that God does evil. He does not, however, SIN, commit wickedness, or any other equivalent thing.
It is right that we pray Deliver us from evil. Because that is in the will and purpose and intention of God. Faith looks forward to the answer to that prayer, and wisdom gets her answer even while evil persists. When evil has served its good purpose, there will be no more sin, wickedness, etc.
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