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yello62:
and check this, our eldest brother?  yeah, He rules the universe... literally! 

how cool is our family?

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on September 28, 2018, 05:19:58 PM ---I do not think of Jesus as an elder brother.

I think of Jesus as my God and King, not as an equal.  I am a knight in His service.

He is my Trail Boss, and I'm taking His cattle to Montana.  Trail Boss says go this way, and I go this way.  Trail Boss says go that way, and I go that way.  Not my cattle.

I am His servant.  I don't have free will.  He directs my way and path.

--- End quote ---

Agree. We are not equal. As Ray has pointed out - 'Like' does not mean the 'same'.

1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

The only reason I don't like the word 'elder' is that's the word the church uses. But He is the firstborn:

Rom 8:29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So that makes Him the first which means He is the oldest.

John from Kentucky:
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

However, Jesus is God.  He lived before there ever was a First.  The concept of time does not really apply to Him.

Which is why He and I will always be fundamentally different.  Jesus created me from the dust of the ground.  My basic composition is dirt, to which I will return, until He resurrects me to life.

Jesus is the Seif-Existent One, Who is Everlasting to Everlasting.

Dave in Tenn:
Rom 8:28  Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose"
Rom 8:29  that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren."
Rom 8:30  Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also."


I think this is also one of the primary passages that allow (cause?) us to presume "elder brother".  But, without getting all doctriney myself, I have to remember that taking doctrine out of one verse is not the way to understand Scripture.

Still, it's an out-sized promise.  Joint-heirs.



 

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