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Cannabis being legalized...
Dave in Tenn:
2Co_5:13 For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
1Th_5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Ti_3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti_3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Tit_1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit_2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Tit_2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit_2:6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
1Pe_1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe_4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
My experience with marijuana is neither broad nor deep, but I've known enough people to whom it has been to know that the "failure to get high" is not the desired effect.
Be not drunk with wine (nor high on marijuana) but be filled with Holy Spirit.
Whatever benefits we might allege as young people (true, or simply as justification) can really only be seen in hindsight...even if that hindsight occurs the next morning. I "learned" everything I needed to know about and from being high the first time. Decades later, I still have enough sense memory to "relive" those moments without "reliving" those experiences, should the need arise. Time to move on. It was what it was. But now is a new adventure, and one to be faced soberly.
We're all going to do what we do until we don't any more. If it's good (and sobriety is) than better sooner than later.
Dennis Vogel:
Just saw this: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/03/19/704948217/daily-marijuana-use-and-highly-potent-weed-linked-to-psychosis
lareli:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 19, 2019, 11:51:01 AM ---Lareli,
The conscious thought to which you refer may be found in Gen 3:10 where Adam was afraid of God's presence, but the first conscious thought was likely long before that.
Adam lived for many days before noticing that he was alone and then many days with Eve, enjoying the companionship with her before the temptation. I'm sure that they both had many conscious thoughts pertaining to their existence before God made them aware that they would be dying as described in Gen 3:19 and continuing.
Indianabob
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Maybe you’re right but I’m not so sure Bob. After all their eyes were not even open until Gen 3:7.
Sure, prior to them disobeying God they had ‘thoughts’ but that doesn’t at all mean that they were self aware.
Their first ‘eyes open’ thoughts were realizing that they were vulnerable (naked) to death. Not just that they were vulnerable (naked) to death but that death was a foregone conclusion. No matter what happens in their temporary life, it will ultimately end in death.
You said Adam enjoyed companionship with Eve prior to Gen 7. How so? His eyes were closed. He had no contrast of good and evil, but you think he had joy which would mean he had to have contrast of joy and sorrow? Remember it was God not Adam, who said it is not good for man to be alone. Adam didn’t suggest it nor (consciously) desire it.. at least not in the scriptures.
Was it ‘good’ or was it ‘evil’ for man to be self conscious and self aware..
indianabob:
Dear friend Lareli,
Appreciate your reply.
Personally I had lots of "thoughts" about girls, women, adventures of many kinds before I found and married my lovely wife.
Then many of my thoughts were able to be expressed toward and with her.
I didn't have my spiritual eyes opened until many years after marriage and children and life in general.
So frankly I'm not sure I understand what you mean about Adam not being self aware.
It is not like they took the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil the next day after Eve was awakened, was it??
Please explain further if you wish. Thanks, bob
lareli:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 22, 2019, 02:54:50 PM ---Dear friend Lareli,
Appreciate your reply.
Personally I had lots of "thoughts" about girls, women, adventures of many kinds before I found and married my lovely wife.
Then many of my thoughts were able to be expressed toward and with her.
I didn't have my spiritual eyes opened until many years after marriage and children and life in general.
So frankly I'm not sure I understand what you mean about Adam not being self aware.
It is not like they took the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good/evil the next day after Eve was awakened, was it??
Please explain further if you wish. Thanks, bob
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I’ll try Bob, but honestly I’m working out my own thoughts as we move along in this conversation.
A question of my own that maybe you could help with is.. In the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, what does the knowledge of good and evil symbolize if not consciousness itself?
Before your spiritual eyes were opened you were still aware of the fact that you were going to die weren’t you? Adam was not aware that he was mortal until he ate the fruit. Do you think he was actually immortal before he ate? Remember he hadn’t ever eaten from the tree of life to “live for ever”.
He didn’t have reasoning capabilities to even know he was mortal. Even animals know they are vulnerable to death and animals aren’t considered to be self aware, self conscious beings.
Correct me if Im wrong but Ray taught that Adam was always mortal and never ‘perfect’ and immortal before eating the forbidden fruit, correct? Can anyone post the link to where Ray talked about this?
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