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Why A Rib To Create Women?
Wanda:
This is what Ray said about the translation of rib.
…In the Hebrew the word is # 6763 – tsela, and it can be translated ‘rib’ and ‘door side’ and ‘chamber.’ In Ezekiel, 10 times this same word translated rib is translated chamber.
The rest of what he says on the subject is IMO speculation. Who among us hasn't gone there a time or two trying to understand God?
Since the word can be translated as rib, and the fact God is spirit and doesn't possess a physical human body with it's anatomy, rib is not as far of a reach for me to grasp.
Besides, being created in his image is spiritual and going in a direction away from that is not something I feel comfortable doing, or can scripturally justify.
God created man from dust, why would a rib be out of the realm of what God can do?
This is the link to the transcript, and where he talks about this it's about 2/3 down the article.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,3720.0.html
Wanda:
Woman was created to be beside man, not beneath or above him. In salvation, man is no more worthy and woman is no less a citizen of God’s kingdom. There is neither male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus”
Galatians 3:28
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female,for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
They stand side-by-side as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life.
Peter 3:7
7 Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.
I don't recall where I came across this, but because of my romantic nature, I liked it and put it in my notes. Now I'm left wondering does God posses a romantic nature. ☺
God did not choose a piece of Adam's head, so that woman would be over him; nor did He select a piece from Adam's foot, so that he would step on her. Rather, our loving Creator chose man's rib, so that woman was taken from his side--to be his equal...from under his arm--to be protected by him...and from near his heart--to be loved by him.
I wonder, if one day when we're all - All in All and we have full understanding, will we sit around talking and laughing at some of the thoughts we entertained while we were carnal, as to who God is. I hope so, I think it would be a jolly good time.
Porter:
Hi Wanda,
Apologizes if I made it seem like I was trying to get one up on you. Like I said, it baffles me trying to understand this in a physical literal context, whereas in the past it was very easy to do. So I put out the only thing I thought I understood, which was the spiritual aspect. Even of that I still wasn't sure, hence the question.
Honestly, I can't even see it as applying to literal men and women. All I saw was Christ and the Church, the Bridegroom and the Bride and the position of Christ as the head. However, I do agree there is no male, no female and no marriage in the spiritual Kingdom of God, literally speaking.
Ray believed femininity and masculinity were both a part of God, which makes perfect sense to me. Otherwise, how would God know if it didn't come out from Him?
I quite often wonder if Ray was speaking in parables of his own sometimes while expounding on Scripture, but especially of Genesis and the creation period. As you can see, I too speculate a lot ;) Maybe too much.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---Apologizes if I made it seem like I was trying to get one up on you. Like I said, it baffles me trying to understand this in a physical literal context, whereas in the past it was very easy to do. So I put out the only thing I thought I understood, which was the spiritual aspect. Even of that I still wasn't sure, hence the question.
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No need to apologize Porter, I didn't think anything of it. In fact, I very much agree with your spiritual perspective. I believe all things from Geniuses on lead to Christ as the head.of the church and the new Jerusalem.
--- Quote ---Ray believed femininity and masculinity were both a part of God, which makes perfect sense to me. Otherwise, how would God know if it didn't come out from Him?
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I can't disagree, but as for God litterally being either male or female, or both, is not easy for me to resolve at this point.
--- Quote ---I quite often wonder if Ray was speaking in parables of his own sometimes while expounding on Scripture, but especially of Genesis and the creation period. As you can see, I too speculate a lot
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Interesting, that's something I never considered before. Now I have more to speculate on.☺
indianabob:
Hi Porter..
Reference how the human gender conditions came to exist.
In my view, God didn't need to copy an existing system (spiritual) of reproduction in order to create and sustain the Human male/female that exists today on Earth.
God creates by God's own powers and the sexual reproduction system was most likely an invention of God designed in God's mind when God decided to have children.
God doesn't need a pattern from which to create a never before existing operation. Certainly God is aware of the differences and similarities in the male and female of the human species, but all of that was invented from nothing that ever before existed.
For example God knows exactly how a woman in labor feels and the pains or joy that she experiences, and the thoughts that come to her mind as she suffers, because God wrote the code for the program that operates in the woman's brain during her pregnancy/delivery of new life.
I think we may have a very limited understanding of what is meant by "made in the image of God"
Love to learn what others understand about the creative process.
Indianabob
--- Quote from: Porter on January 08, 2019, 01:35:39 PM ---Hi Wanda,
Apologizes if I made it seem like I was trying to get one up on you. Like I said, it baffles me trying to understand this in a physical literal context, whereas in the past it was very easy to do. So I put out the only thing I thought I understood, which was the spiritual aspect. Even of that I still wasn't sure, hence the question.
Honestly, I can't even see it as applying to literal men and women. All I saw was Christ and the Church, the Bridegroom and the Bride and the position of Christ as the head. However, I do agree there is no male, no female and no marriage in the spiritual Kingdom of God, literally speaking.
Ray believed femininity and masculinity were both a part of God, which makes perfect sense to me. Otherwise, how would God know if it didn't come out from Him?
I quite often wonder if Ray was speaking in parables of his own sometimes while expounding on Scripture, but especially of Genesis and the creation period. As you can see, I too speculate a lot ;) Maybe too much.
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