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Did Ray Change His Teaching On This.
octoberose:
But the question is a good one. I’ve never had a good grasp on Rays timeline for how things occur at the end . What do the moderators believe Ray taught on this?
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Wanda on January 07, 2019, 05:06:46 PM ---This is from an email reply from Ray. It's from 2006, so he might have changed his teaching since then. Does anyone know?
Dear Brenda:
Yes, Brenda, your friend is at peace. He is sleeping. That is what God and His Word likens death to--SLEEP. In judgment, all the wicked and non-believers will be resurrected and taught the truths of God. That is what judgment is--setting all wrongs RIGHT. God's plan is to save the entire human race. He is calling a chosen few now, and judging us now (I Cor. 11:31-32 & I Pet. 4:17, etc.).
The rest will have their judgment in a resurrection of the death to come after Jesus rules a thousand years on this earth. Read my "Lake of Fire" series for the details of all these things.
God be with you,
Ray
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,554.msg4296.html#msg4296
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I am glad you asked if Ray "changed his teaching since then" as Ray was always learning and updating his beliefs.
Because this was written in 2006, IMO Ray had not known at that time that this verse was not in the original text and should be ignored.
Rev. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
One of Ray's favorite verses:
Isa_26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
So does anyone believe that Christ returns but nothing changes for a period of time? Including judgment?
There are verses that imply judgment begins when Christ returns.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Wanda:
Thank you Dennis, this really does help in my effort to understand. Interesting thing is, I was doing a search for something else, when I found the email.
Johnny70:
Hi Dennis,
Ray Smith was correct about the timing of the second resurrection - even if Rev 20:5 is not an original part of the Holy Texts of the Bible - because of verse 6 of Rev 20 indicating the First resurrection occurring at the start of the Thousand Year Period of time. In 1 Corinthians 15:23 King James Version (KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1 Corinthians 15:51-55 King James Version (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Paul also wrote,"1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 King James Version (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
According to Paul, "the dead in Christ shall rise first." This is the first resurrection" depicted in Revelation 20:6. Revelation 20:4-6 begins the Thousand Years with the resurrection of the elect - with both the dead first and they that are alive - second in sequence in the FIRST resurrection.
So Paul adds to this further by saying - the true believers (the elect) being "caught up" then he declares immediately after (I Thess 4:16:18) - 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 King James Version (KJV) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE.
So the dead raised up occurs after the Thousand Year period of time in the Second Resurrection and the numbers will be staggering, they will in clude all those that are NOT - "caught up" - seeing those that ARE "caught up" will be with Jesus and alive in the First resurrection.
Is my thinking correct here, Dennis - just trying to make sense out of all this.
John
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Johnny70 on January 09, 2019, 03:14:39 PM ---Hi Dennis,
Ray Smith was correct about the timing of the second resurrection - even if Rev 20:5 is not an original part of the Holy Texts of the Bible - because of verse 6 of Rev 20 indicating the First resurrection occurring at the start of the Thousand Year Period of time.
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In his email Ray said "after" the thousand years.
"The rest will have their judgment in a resurrection of the death to come after Jesus rules a thousand years on this earth."
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