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The Overwhelming Desire to Live
Wanda:
--- Quote ---IMO, there is a connection here.
And I've often used these two verses as proof that Adam and Eve were not the first humans. But just my opinion.
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I've looked at this in every scriptural way I know and it's obvious this is saying more than I once thought. Makes me wonder what Adam knew that we don't.
Another one of those great mysteries.
I've read on the forum, where others have said who they would first like to talk to in the next age; at this point, I can say I want 10 minutes with Adam. I have my most relevant questions ready.☺
indianabob:
--- Quote from: Wanda on May 23, 2019, 03:14:05 PM ---
--- Quote ---IMO, there is a connection here.
And I've often used these two verses as proof that Adam and Eve were not the first humans. But just my opinion.
--- End quote ---
I've looked at this in every scriptural way I know and it's obvious this is saying more than I once thought. Makes me wonder what Adam knew that we don't.
Another one of those great mysteries.
I've read on the forum, where others have said who they would first like to talk to in the next age; at this point, I can say I want 10 minutes with Adam. I have my most relevant questions ready.☺
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Wanda, would you care to share a couple of those questions so we can speculate an answer??
Wanda:
Okay Bob, but keep in mind it's just my opinion and therefore nothing more than speculation.
It's important to also note what I believe from studying Ray's broad scope of teachings, and the scriptures.
I believe man has been on the earth for longer than 6,000 years. I also believe there were people before Adam.
So there's no confusion, let me first state, we know that Eve is metaphorically the mother of all who are alive in Christ and will be alive in Christ in the future.
We know from Genesis 3:20-21 that Adam named his wife Eve at some point after sin entered the world.
I think it's possible this is when Adam learned there were other people on earth, and one of the reasons he gave her the name Eve, mother of all living. This would mean these people were also a part of God's plan of salvation for all.
Cain kills Abel -
Genesis – 4:9-15 God's punishment upon Cain for killing Abel , and as a result he feared for his life from those he would encounter outside of his homeland.
1) How did Cain know there were other people?
2) How would they know what he had done?
3) What would motivate them to kill him?
Makes sense to me Bob.
Wanda:
Bob,
I got interupted while posting and didn't complete my thought.
The people outside the garden, didn't have a relationship with God as Adam did, therefore they were spiritually dead.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
indianabob:
Hi Wanda,
Here in my home town we just buried a 95 year old woman who had 12 live births after her marriage at age 17.
Only three have survived her, so the other 9 died before she did. Strong, determined woman, mother and wife.
This was a lot more common in past centuries.
Addressing your comment re: the "people" outside the Garden of Eden.
There weren't any people inside the Garden because God sent Adam and Eve out before there were any kids. Yes/no?
Like the lady in my first sentence, Adam and Eve were really excited about reproduction.
God told them to "get to it" and make a lot of babies, so maybe like the woman I mentioned they probably made quite a few, perhaps one every couple of years or less. I'm sure Adam was eager to obey God in this way regardless of his previous disobedience regarding the forbidden fruit.
(side comment) I have a daughter who is 14 months older than her little brother. ;)
The average woman today has about 500 or more eggs available divided by 12 months which would allow about 40 kids if she kept really busy. AND with perfect health and ample food and environmental comfort there is no reason that the eldest daughter(s) would not love to help Mom as soon as they were ten years old so the burden of caring for 30 or 40 kids would be minimal.
Still a large responsibility of course...
Plus if conditions were even anything like today the boys and girls would be trying sex as soon as they came into puberty and there was nothing wrong with that.
It was orders from God. Go to it! Fill the earth!
Also please note that Adam was also spiritually dead.
Isn't that why God kicked him out of the Garden??
Cain was certainly spiritually dead, otherwise why be jealous of Abel and kill him.
In fact almost every living person in the world today is "spiritually dead" even those worshiping in error every Sunday.
Also you mentioned that Cain knew that there were other people.
Of course he did...they were Adam's children and brothers or sisters or cousins to Cain and Abel.
They probably had grown up with both brothers and worked to build homes and orchards and herds of sheep and played together for years.
It was a very large family and Adam and Eve led them as is normal for parents to do.
Just my opinion of course. Bob
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