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Why Did Jesus think His Father had left Him?
Wanda:
Forsake
abandon (someone or something).
"he would never forsake Tara"
synonyms: abandon, desert, leave, quit, depart from, leave behind, leave high and dry, turn one's back on, cast aside, give up, reject, disown; More
renounce or give up (something valued or pleasant).
Friend Bob,
If you look.at any of these words you can clearly see they are not the best words in describing the Fathers position in his sons suffering.
I look at it in the sense the Father placed himself in the position of having to rely on the natural progression of his son's death, just as we have to do when someone we love is dying. We don't abandon , desert or quit on our loved ones as they are dying. No, we love, comfort and give them our all, to insure they never feel alone during that time.
Wanda:
Michele
The fact you turn to God in those times of fear shows a great deal of spiritual maturity. You've come to know and trust that you need him when the waters are rough and your little boat seems no match in such threatening conditions.
I can never say I don't have fear.of things, and if I did I would certainly be a hypocrite. What I do when fear starts to overcome me is draw even closer to our Lord, knowing without his help I'm doomed to overcome it myself. The old man me, would never have turned to God in those dark times, and as a result I experienced much fear and anxiety. We are all in a perpetual state of dying to something and in great need of support, comfort and assurance we are not alone.
Something tells me by the time we actually are faced with our literal and physicall deaths, we will be filled with God's love and holy spirit in a way we've never experienced before.
Heidi:
We have learned through Ray's teachings that it pleased God the Father to bruise him for our sake.
I found this email that may add to the discussion.
--- Quote from: loretta on October 05, 2013, 01:29:12 AM ---I am reading Ray's paper WHY DOES GOD LOVE YOU?
http://bible-truths.com/WhyGodLovesYou.htm
Why should submitting His Son to a brutal beating and crucifixion "please Him?"
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief: when You shall make His soul an offering [death on the cross] for sin" (Isaiah 53:10)
The Hebrew word translated "bruise" means: "to crumble; beat to pieces, break (in pieces), bruise, contrite, crush, destroy, humble, oppress, smite" (Strong's Hebrew Lexicon). Read that again... Think about that for a few minutes... How could such human devastation, depravation, and cruel degradation, to One's only Son possibly "PLEASE" His Father? God had to know that what He was doing would not produce the slightest failure. Such an unfathomable sacrifice could only be justified if it produced 100% total success and perfection.
God was not taking a chance by sacrificing His Son "while" we were yet sinners, "before" we ever repented, because God knows that salvation is totally in His hands and not in the hands of humanity. If repentance, conversion, and salvation was up to us, God could not be sure that one single person would ever repent and be saved.
I recalled watching this short movie, Most - The Bridge, several years ago about a father's ultimate sacrifice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQJI5HTSss
What I didn't appreciate at the time was the fact that all passengers on the train are saved and how much more poignant the parallel is to the gospel.
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indianabob:
Well said Wanda, thanks for sharing.
Bob
--- Quote from: Wanda on August 12, 2019, 01:28:12 PM ---Forsake
abandon (someone or something).
"he would never forsake Tara"
synonyms: abandon, desert, leave, quit, depart from, leave behind, leave high and dry, turn one's back on, cast aside, give up, reject, disown; More
renounce or give up (something valued or pleasant).
Friend Bob,
If you look.at any of these words you can clearly see they are not the best words in describing the Fathers position in his sons suffering.
I look at it in the sense the Father placed himself in the position of having to rely on the natural progression of his son's death, just as we have to do when someone we love is dying. We don't abandon , desert or quit on our loved ones as they are dying. No, we love, comfort and give them our all, to insure they never feel alone during that time.
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Wanda:
Thanks Heidi,
Any day we can talk about the love of God, is a happy day for me.
Great video ☺
Every time I read this teaching from Ray something new Jumps out at me. This time it was what he said here -
Ray
Yes, Jesus loved Paul as He saw he would BE after He struck him down on the road to Damascus. THAT'S the "Paul" that Jesus loved, not the "SAUL" that was slaughtering and persecuting His followers.
The Father loves each one of us for who we will be, when his work is complete in us.
My understanding of this excerpt of Why Does God Love You. A couple different translations of Isaiah 53:10
Isaiah 53 ESV
Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10 CLV
10 yet Yahweh desires to crush Him, and He causes Him to be wounded. Should you place His soul for a guilt approach, He shall see a seed. He shall lengthen His days, and the desire of Yahweh shall prosper in His hand."
We know what God wills is always good and pleasing to him , because of the desired outcome We read from the Creation account in Genesis, that after completing a creation God would say, and it was good. The Father was pleased with his work, just as he was pleased with the perfect sacrifice. A sacrifice that would ultimately complete the creation of man, when All are in All with the Father. but we should not confuse this to mean the Father got pleasure from his sons immerse suffering. And we should also not forget, Jesus willingly laid down his life to save All, for who we are yet to be.
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