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octoberose:
The discussion questions have been pretty quiet lately so I thought I’d start a discussion.😌
   Let’s say  that you are talking with someone who is interested in learning about the elect of God and the eventual salvation of all. And let’s say it is much easier for you to show Gods grace to all then it is for you to make the case that it’s the elect who inherit the Kingdom and that’s different then everybody just being transformed to heaven at the same time . What scriptures would you use ?
 Sometimes it’s nice to go back  to fundamentals  - at least it helps me to make sure I know what I know and can articulate it .
Thanks .

Heidi:
Recon yourself to be dead in the flesh.

I found this excerpt by Ray from LOF part 16
"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection" (Rom. 6:4).

But we are not literally resurrected to immortality as Jesus was, when we are raised from the dead after being baptized into JESUS, are we? No, not literally, that is why Paul says we are to, " reckon you also yourselves to be dead."

"Likewise r-e-c-k-o-n you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom. 6:11).

The Greek word for "reckon" means "to estimate, conclude, impute, reason, reckon, suppose, think." It is not necessary to "reckon" something that is literally a present reality. In the future we will literally be free from all sin and literally have immortality in resurrection, but for now we can just "reckon" it.

This death is not a literal, physical death, but it is a REAL death, and it is most important:

"Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him" (Rom. 6:8)."

Heidi

Heidi:
LOF Part 3:
"THE BELIEVER'S JUDGMENT BY FIRE

Well, yes, it does appear that there is a judgment on the house of God, but certainly not a judgment by FIRE, is there? Doesn't God judge non-believers with fire, but not believers? This only sounds strange to you if you have never been taught the Scriptures.

"Beloved, think it NOT STRANGE concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some STRANGE thing happened unto you" (I Pet. 4:12).

Peter makes it sound as though going through fiery trails is the norm rather than the exception. The New Testament is filled with the fiery trials of the Saints.

Now I hope that none will be offended at my next few statements, but if so, so be it. Unless God Almighty through the purging power of His FIERY SPIRIT, is BURNING OUT the lusts and passions and vanity and haughtiness and greed and self-righteousness and laziness and weakness and hypocrisy and wickedness and pride and materialism and cynicism and depravity and carnality in your life, then Jesus Christ is not choosing you to reign with Him as the Sons of God in the Kingdom of God to bring all Heaven and Earth to repentance and salvation!"

Heidi

Musterseed:
2 Co.9:7
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion
for God loves a cheerful giver.

What are we to cheerfully give?

Rom.12:1
I appeal to you therefore brothers by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living
sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Rom.12;2- Do not be
conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you
may decern what is the will of God. What is good and acceptable and perfect.

1John 2:15
Love not the world neither the things of the world. If any man loves the world, the
love of the Father is not in him, for all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the
lust of the eyes and the pride of life is not of the Father but is of the world.

Rom. 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive
so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not in the old way in the written code.

1Tim.2:3
This is good and it is pleasing in the sight of God Our Savior.

Sermon on the Mount  , Jesus is saying something totally new. A NEW SPIRITUAL COVENANT.
“ BUT I SAY UNTO YOU....................

In Christ
Pamela

Wanda:
Octoberose, the thought of explaining the remnant class first seems like a huge task to me. I first learned of the salvation of all, and everything fell into place afterward,  but each situation is different, and anything is possible with God. Im, hoping to learn  something more on this subject from others.

I would suggest Romans 11. It talks of the remnant of Israel and the engrafting of the gentiles, which clearly speaks to the grace of God.

Romans 11:5–7

5   In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.

6   But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

7   What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

One thing that dictates how I approach anything involving God, when talking to someone, is love. "God is love", first and foremost, it's the very essence of who he is. everything he does is goverend by that truth. His just and righteous plan for the salvation of all mankind is a witness to that truth. I was myself,  greatly influenced by first knowing this, and everything fell into place afterward.

The following scriptures made me question what I thought I knew, maybe they'll help in your situation. If not, I can share other scripture about the remnant class.

Psalm 66:4,

4 All the earth will worship Thee, and will sing praises to Thee; they will sing praises to Thy name. Selah.

Psalm 67 is magnificent as well:

1 God be gracious to us and bless us, and cause His face to shine upon us-Selah. 2That Thy way may be known on the earth, Thy salvation among all nations. 3 Let the peoples praise Thee, O God; let ALL the peoples praise Thee. 4 Let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for Thou wilt judge the peoples with uprightness, and guide the nations on the earth. Selah. 5Let the peoples praise Thee, O God; let all the peoples praise Thee. 6 The earth has yielded its produce; God, our God, blesses us. 7 God blesses us, [in order] thatall the ends of the earth may fear Him.

Psalm 72:11-19

11 And let all kings bow down before him, All nations serve him. . .17 May His Name endure forever; May His Name increase as long as the sunshines; And letmen bless themselves by Him; Let all nations call him blessed. . .18Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, Who alone works wonders. 19 And blessed be His glorious name forever; And may the whole earth be filled with His glory. Amen, and Amen.

Psalm 86:9 and 10

9 All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee, O Lord; and they shall glorify Thy name. 10 For Thou art great and doest wondrous deeds; Thou alone art God.

When God's Kingdom fills the whole earth like the great mountain range foretold by the prophet Daniel (2:35). Isaiah foresaw this day as well when he wrote in Isaiah 2:2-4,


2 Now it will come about that in the last days, the mountain of the house of the LORD will be established as the chief of the mountains [i.e., nations], and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream to it. 3And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; that He may teach us concerning His ways, and that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And He will judge between the nations, and will render decisions for many peoples; and they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, and never again will they learn war.

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