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What do u think are some of the hardest questions 2 answer related to our faith?
Wanda:
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2. What did an Israelite living during Jesus' ministry on earth need to believe in order to be saved?
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He needed to believe on the name of the Son of God. How do you do that?
Then, he needed to die and be raised from the dead. He's only "half-way" there, at best.
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Matthew 19:16 "And behold, someone approached and said to him, “Good Teacher, what good should I do, so that I may have eternal life?”
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To believe in his name is to have the neccessary faith. If we consider the Greek word pistis, "faith ", is a noun, but there is no verb form in the English language. We can't properly say that we faith Jesus, so to read it properly we must change the wording to say we believe in Jesus. Believing without faith is something we're all familiar with, but it's not possible to give up all your wealth as Jesus told the rich man he would need to do, without having the kind of faith it would require. In this regard I don't think the words believe and faith are interchangeable.
For John, faith is the basis of sonship, whereas in Paul’s writings, faith is the requisite for justification (Romans 4:2, 5). For James, faith was expressed and therefore evidenced by one’s works (James 2:18). All of these writers are in harmony, but each focuses on a different aspect of faith.
lareli:
1. What is god/ What do you mean when you say ‘god’?
2. What do you mean when you say ‘believe’?
Dave in Tenn:
Wanda, I would argue that we mustn't, for the same of clarity, say we "believe in Jesus.". Nor is that the "necessary faith". We are saved by Grace...through faith. He is the Savior of all men, especially those that believe. To me that matches up with the Gospel of John. To believe in Jesus is one thing. But the power/authority to become the Sons of God goes to those that believe on His name.
And they shall call his name "Jesus", for He shall save His people from their sins. His very name means "God savior/saves". He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the world. Believing this is central to believing ON HIS NAME. Those that believe on His name are especially saved.
He shall be called Immanuel, meaning "God with us".
People these days don't put as much thought into the meanings of names. But it's a prominent part of scripture, OT and New, that certain names are defined. His was. That's at least one major way one can believe on a name. It is not just an arrangement of letters and syllables.
Musterseed:
From The Real Origin Of Sin, LOF PT. 11
We have got to get away from the God allows certain things mentality and syndrome.
God creates,God destroys,God heals, God kills,God causes, God brings about,God saves.
God does not allow things that He has not foreordained to be’
Judgement is not reserved exclusively for the wicked nor is it a one sided sentence of doom.
God has a plan, A PROCEDURE and a purpose for this creation.
Rom.11:36
For of Him and THROUGH Him and to Him are all things to whom be glory forever.
Concordant.....Seeing that OUT of Him and THROUGH Him and for Him is ALL.
Does this also include evil? ISA. 45:7
There are many things in life that are very hard to accept and deal with in our weakened spiritual state.
Satan is functioning perfectly as God’s adversary.Satan the devil has seed, he is a father, a father
has children and followers of like nature.
It is the wasters role to destroy the flesh of man so that the spirit may be saved.( 1 Co.5:45)
It is Satan who was created from his very beginning to be the waster to destroy men’s flesh
so that they learn not to blaspheme (1Tim 1:20) Satan started with Adam and Eve and he isn’t
finished yet.
Satan is evil, God created evil, God created Satan.
He that commits sin is of the devil.
When we understand these things , we will understand the LOF and second death and a thousand other things that happen in our lives today as in the lives of all humanity since Mother Eve.
Hello everyone. My focus here is on the PROCEDURE God uses to destroy the beastly carnal mind
because
Rom.8:7... because the carnal ( natural) mind is enmity ( deep seated hatred) against God, for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
God follows His own spiritual laws. Free will sounds like a marvellous and magical thing......it is
however the god of stupidity. An idol of the heart which will be burned out of every son whom
God scourges. And ALL the inhabitants of the earth( we know all means all) are reputed as nothing.
Nothing is pretty small.
I have been studying about the process of how God brings humanity from wickedness to His image.
An experience of evil involves much pain, sorrow and suffering from many sources.I’m studying GRACE as a verb. So here is my question.
Is Grace , Gehenna Fire?
Quote from Ray from Study of Tophet of Old,,,,,,,” Gehenna Fire is a vital ingredient in the PROCESS
of sanctifying us WHOLLY( 1 Thes 5:23)
Heidi. You said in your second post re. evil” this is a very hard thing to understand with mans
human reasoning, one cannot”.
Human reasoning, I believe this human reasoning to be the fabled free will that has to be burnt out
of every human. I marvel at Rays teaching of Guilty of All. This was the teaching that made me realize
the depth of Satan in humanity and our weakened hearts, and that put in the right circumstances, ie. wars throughout history.we are capable of heinous evil and ONLY by the grace of God do we do any good at all.
I have learned what it means to love my enemies through that teaching. Agape love for those who
in Gods plan were made to be vessels of dishonour. Our whole lives are evening and morning and
there is coming a time when it will just be morning always with the brightness of God in full strength.
Until then, Jesus-Jehovah teaches us long suffering and pure love . Love is the key. Amen💕
All Glory to God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
In Christ , Pamela
Wanda:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on February 23, 2020, 05:07:51 AM ---Wanda, I would argue that we mustn't, for the same of clarity, say we "believe in Jesus.". Nor is that the "necessary faith". We are saved by Grace...through faith. He is the Savior of all men, especially those that believe. To me that matches up with the Gospel of John. To believe in Jesus is one thing. But the power/authority to become the Sons of God goes to those that believe on His name.
And they shall call his name "Jesus", for He shall save His people from their sins. His very name means "God savior/saves". He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the world. Believing this is central to believing ON HIS NAME. Those that believe on His name are especially saved.
He shall be called Immanuel, meaning "God with us".
People these days don't put as much thought into the meanings of names. But it's a prominent part of scripture, OT and New, that certain names are defined. His was. That's at least one major way one can believe on a name. It is not just an arrangement of letters and syllables.
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Thanks Dave,
Yes, I do understand we're saved by grace through faith, which is only possible through God and not by anything we do. I also believe Jesus is the savior of All men. My thinking was of the sons of God who believe on his name. I suppose my question would be, would not God given faith be necessary as one of the sons of God, to believe on his name?
I also understand the importance and great power of that name in God's plan for the salvation of all.
Philippians 2:9-11
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
Acts 4:12
There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.”
John 5:43 I have come to you in My Father’s name…
John 17:6 “I have manifested Your name…
John 17:11 Holy Father, you have given me your name…
John 17:26 And I have declared to them Your name…
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