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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
Wanda:
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Perhaps it is both literal and symbolic if we read it as, she will become or she became the mother of all living, as Octoberose explained about being a mother, but not the mother of her husband. Although I'm struggling to see anything but the symbolism.
Me- Well, she was physically a mother, she begat the humans that begat all the other humans and the rest would be symbolic. Isn't Abraham the Father of Many Nations ?
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In that regard Eve was without question the mother of all living. And yes, everything else would be symbolic, as you pointed out.
It also explains Nshan's frustration, in relation to Gen.3:20, although no one was denying Eve wasn't the mother of all living, but Gen. 3:20 Is symbolic of something bigger, and that's Jesus. Ray always said everything is about one thing, and it took me awhile to understand what that actually meant. From Genesis to the Revelations, it's all about Jesus.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---Actually this post and the scriptures I searched out have made me more sure that there are giants in the earth.
Numbers 13:33- And there we saw the giants, the son's of Anak, which were come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight
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Joel -
This is why I was interested in the thread.
At some point this must have occurred through selective breeding. We only have factual information of them in biblical history as you know. though. According to biblical accounts many were killed in wars, In Deut. 3:11 and later in the book of Numbers and Joshua, Og is called the last of the Rephaim. After he died none were left to procreate.
When I look at the size of basketball players today, they all look like giants to me. Imagin what they would look like with some added muscle mass. The tallest was a Chinese player who was 7′ 9″ weighed 370 lbs. With a shoe size of 20. I checked out the size of others, and they range from "6 7" to "7 7". Imagin if they found mates this size, there would be giants in the earth again. :D
Heidi:
Further thoughts that I've had regarding the bible and Genesis.
The bible is written for us. The "us" is Gods kingdom of heavens, the chosen. It was never meant to be understood by the many.
Remember a spiritual truth we learned about the "few and the many"?
Well, I consider the genealogy of Adam to be the starting point of "the few" who are the called, the chosen. This is the mystery that has been revealed to us in the last days. The prophet's saw it from afar and prophesied about the things that are now being revealed to us.
Listen, God does not change, He does not lie and the sum of His word is the truth.
I believe that the glory yet to be revealed is so much greater than we can ever imagine. We are being shown things that even Angel's wish to understand.
Why is it so difficult to think that (if I have to use a concept) pre-Adam humans are not also part of Gods many later? The bible is a huge enigma that only can be revealed and understood if God allows us.
God is doing a strange work in us now, we only see glimpses but when He comes we will be like Him and know everything. He is the one that writes His laws on our hearts and in our minds.
Blessed is he who have not seen Christ and believes, that is the faith we now have in Christ Jesus that directs us. We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
indianabob:
Hi Wanda,
In regard to this message only, please consider the following.
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It seems that we are making this a lot harder than it needs to be.
When Israelis, to whom this book was exclusively written prior to Jesus' birth, read the description of the events in Gen 3:20 they would not even think that Eve would be the mother of Adam. That would not make any sense. Why?
Because Adam had no mother. Adam was a distinct, unique creation of God and everyone understood that from Gen 1:26.
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It is elementary then that Adam would not mistakenly be included in anyone's thoughts in that regard.
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Just as it is plain that Jesus had no human father. The scripture is clear on that point. It is not symbolic. Jesus also was a distinct, unique creation of Father God in the womb of a woman. He had no genetic blood connection to Adam's progeny. A child's blood stream is separate from the mother's blood stream. Does not mix.
Kindly offered. Bob
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It is then obvious from the context that the word "was" is better translated "became" in the future, the mother of all subsequent persons made in the image of God. H1961 in Strong's Concordance
--- Quote from: Wanda on March 10, 2020, 07:15:28 PM ---
--- Quote ---Wanda
Perhaps it is both literal and symbolic if we read it as, she will become or she became the mother of all living, as Octoberose explained about being a mother, but not the mother of her husband. Although I'm struggling to see anything but the symbolism.
Me- Well, she was physically a mother, she begat the humans that begat all the other humans and the rest would be symbolic. Isn't Abraham the Father of Many Nations ?
--- End quote ---
In that regard Eve was without question the mother of all living. And yes, everything else would be symbolic, as you pointed out.
It also explains Nshan's frustration, in relation to Gen.3:20, although no one was denying Eve wasn't the mother of all living, but Gen. 3:20 Is symbolic of something bigger, and that's Jesus. Ray always said everything is about one thing, and it took me awhile to understand what that actually meant. From Genesis to the Revelations, it's all about Jesus.
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nshan:
--- Quote ---We cannot dispute science and DNA analysis
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Heidi, the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. Nevertheless, I don't think you understand how many theories have been thrown out. The truly scientific/inquisitive mind is all about disputing and challenging what we think we know and our long-held beliefs.
--- Quote ---There is a problem with a literal enterpretation of Gen. 3:20 because Eve can only be Adam's mother symbolically. Unless you have witness to the contrary.
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There was no woman before Eve, hence no mother. God took it out of Adam to create her. She was the first human mom which is why she is the mother of all living. I'm not saying it is not symbolic as many of you really want to believe. I guess I can say it ten thousand more times and you won't believe the scriptures. How can you even move onto spiritual things if you cannot even believe the physical?
--- Quote ---Could you please tell those of us who are in agreement with this understanding of Gen. 3:20, what we don't fully understand and what the implications are, otherwise I'm left scratching my head?
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Please actually read all that I have said earlier, as I have answered and explained much already. I'm even restating things here.
--- Quote ---Science tells us there were people like us (not Neanderthals) 20k, 50k and some even say 100 thousand years ago. This is a long time before Adam and Eve according to 'church' doctrine which tells us the world is only 6,000 years old.
'Church' doctrine also says Adam and Eve were the very first humans.
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Dennis, the wisdom (not the stupidity) of this world is foolishness to God. Science is the observation and study of natural phenomena. A minority of the churches even really agree on the 6000 years, some believe in evolution or other man-made doctrines and do err. They want to believe the world and God, but they cannot have both. Either God has placed the Old Dragon to deceive or not. Do you know what a deceiver does? Consider what a deceiver and his children do or would do. Also, you do realize that according to church doctrine Jesus Christ was made manifest in the flesh and born of a virgin? The church also seems to agree that we all need air to breath.
--- Quote --- And the Adam in the garden was a descendant, chosen from among the humanity God created. A starting point in his plan, of salvation for all. If that were true, then all are in Adam. Problem solved. :D
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Yes, problem solved! Not. Now, we're not all in Adam now, and he is no longer first formed as the scriptures I presented earlier state. Now Jesus Christ is only going to save some. And what about Eve since she was taken out of this Adam? I guess there were and still are no women now.
--- Quote ---The bible is written for us. The "us" is Gods kingdom of heavens, the chosen. It was never meant to be understood by the many.
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God is not a respector of persons. He will give all an understanding.
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