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Couple questions - Leviticus / Galatians
nshan:
Hey all, I need some honest pointers regarding a couple of things if anyone is up for it or knows if Ray talked about it:
In Leviticus 24 we have "an eye for an eye", a man who cursed/blasphemed God was ordered to be stoned to death by God.
Then in Matthew 5:38-5:48 we have Jesus saying "You have heard it was said [from the Lord your God -- aka me?] an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but I say to you: ..."
I know God does not change but this is still hard to understand even with the following references I briefly gathered:
Heb 7 : imperfect priesthood
Heb 8 : first covenant had fault
Heb 9 : Christ became a high priest for a greater and more perfect (complete) tabernacle
Heb 10 : law is a shadow
Job 4:17 : shall a man be more pure than his maker? - no
Pro 10:12 : love / God covers all sins
Ecc 3:11 : no man can find out the work God makes from the beginning to the end
Maybe I'm just having trouble as to why God would order that? Because this is a complete 180 from what he commanded before. Maybe the above already explains part of how/why? I also know that the scribes write with a lying pen in Jeremiah 8:8 so that is always something to watch out for.
I guess my question is how would one explain this to themselves and others if they ask you without sidetracking or giving a cliched answer?
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Also I don't know if anyone has studied Galatians? Which actually ties into the above. In Galatians 3:10-3:14 it talks about those continuing under the old law are under a curse. Anyway, my specific question is in Gal 3:13 it says that Christ being made a curse for us and that it is written "Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree." Does anyone have a reference or a parallel verse to where it says that in any scripture we currently have?
Porter:
Found this from Ray.
https://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm
[5] " Ye have heard that it has been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil... turn to him the other [cheek] also" (Matt. 65:38-39). I won't spent much time on this as it is the same as the others and I want to get to the " love your enemies" command. Suffice it to say that according to all Jewish Scholars that I read (many), none teaches that this was ever enforced, literally. It meant to reimburse the harmed person in like value. And this apparently is the truth, seeing that we have this Scripture:
"You shall not avenge [take vengeance on] , nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as thyself, I am the Lord" (Lev. 19:18). Certainly one was justified in being reimbursed for the value of a lost eye, hand, tooth, etc., but not that one person should avenge another by literally gauging out his brother's eye, if he were responsible for you loosing your eye. There is not one case of this being literally executed in Scriptures anymore than Jesus meant to literally pluck out our physical eyes, if we lusted in our heart. However, there are examples of this being fulfilled in kind. Jesus' command in no way contradicts or does away with the "eye for an eye" principle. In modern times we carry insurance for just such times as we need to reimburse in kind (value) those who are injured (as in an auto accident were someone might loose an arm or leg or eye).
[6] " Ye have heard that it has been said, You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy. But I say unto you, love your enemies..." (Matt. 5:43-44).
Well, there it is. This one for sure is an annulling of the Old Testament Law and a complete and total contradiction of it, right? Wrong again, pale face. Some of the examples Jesus uses were indeed commanded in the Law of Moses. This one, however, was not. Sure enough, Lev. 19:18 does tell us to, "love your neighbor," but it does not tell us to "hate our enemy." In fact, there is not one statement in any of the Law of Moses that says we are to "hate our enemy."
Well then where did we hear that "it has been said... hate your enemy?" Notice that Jesus did not say in this example, "You have heard that it was said by them..." No, Jesus said, "You have heard that it has been said..." He does not say it was said "by them," as there was no "them" in this case. Only one person in the Scriptures said that He hated his enemies, and that was David.
It is not in the Law of Moses, rather in the Psalms of David: "I hate them with perfect hatred [Heb: 'complete hatred'] : I count them mine enemies" (Psalm 139:22). It was the "bloody man," David, who died with blood on his hands and murder in his heart (I Kings 2:1-9), who said he hated his enemies, not God telling us that we should hate our enemies.
And so, Jesus, true to His word in Matt. 5:17-19, did not destroy any law, nor did He do away with so much as "one jot or one tittle" of the law. Now let's learn how we are to be judged by our Lord, and how we are to live by His NEW COMMANDMENT.
Porter:
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Also I don't know if anyone has studied Galatians? Which actually ties into the above. In Galatians 3:10-3:14 it talks about those continuing under the old law are under a curse. Anyway, my specific question is in Gal 3:13 it says that Christ being made a curse for us and that it is written "Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree." Does anyone have a reference or a parallel verse to where it says that in any scripture we currently have?
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Is this what you're looking for?
Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God ) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
nshan:
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--- Quote from: nshan on April 13, 2020, 08:27:58 PM ---
Also I don't know if anyone has studied Galatians? Which actually ties into the above. In Galatians 3:10-3:14 it talks about those continuing under the old law are under a curse. Anyway, my specific question is in Gal 3:13 it says that Christ being made a curse for us and that it is written "Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree." Does anyone have a reference or a parallel verse to where it says that in any scripture we currently have?
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Is this what you're looking for?
Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God ) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
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Yes this is exactly what I was looking for thank you.
Also at the end of Leviticus 24 God commanded Moses to tell Israel to stone to death the man who committed blasphemy. So he was ordered by God to be restrained and stoned to death by his own people. Which doesn't really seem to be explained fully by Ray in this writing, but it's a start.
Porter:
Only thing I can think of is the fact the Old Covenant (with it's Mosaic laws) is not in accord with the New Covenant (and it's Law of Christ).
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
The first Covenant is death, the second Covenant is life.
Joh 8:3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, making her stand in the center.
Joh 8:4 "Teacher," they said to Him, "this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery.
Joh 8:5 In the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do You say?"
Joh 8:6 They asked this to trap Him, in order that they might have evidence to accuse Him. Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with His finger.
Joh 8:7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, "The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her."
Joh 8:8 Then He stooped down again and continued writing on the ground.
Joh 8:9 When they heard this, they left one by one, starting with the older men. Only He was left, with the woman in the center.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus stood up, He said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
Joh 8:11 "No one, Lord," she answered. "Neither do I condemn you," said Jesus. "Go, and from now on do not sin any more."]
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