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Would you take the MARK/IMPLANT in order to buy, sell, or trade?
loveroftruth:
In listening to the many 'prophetic sources' through the many different medias; it is sounding like there might be a 'mark/implant/chip' coming down the pike soon; and if we do not take it, then we cannot buy, sell, or trade without this 'Mark of the Beast'. I have read L. Rays' info about WE are the beast, and I agree, but, I don't understand what the Word says about IF we can or cannot take the implant. If iit comes down to it, wherein we are made to get an implant or we wont' be able to buy, sell, or trade, then what do you all think of that? Would you take it? Why or Why Not?
Thanks! :-\
Susan
nshan:
Here are some of Ray's emails I found
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,5930.msg48031.html#msg48031
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,2807.msg20827.html#msg20827
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,3149.msg23430.html#msg23430 [forehead]
From Ray:
--- Quote ---The mark is not a literal mark, or tatoo, or imbedded computer chip. Besides, why would we need one on our hand AND ON OUR FOREHEAD? This is all symbolism.
--- End quote ---
An old discussion topic plus a quote:
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,1689.msg14867.html#msg14867
--- Quote ---Jer 17:1 The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
--- End quote ---
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Something about 666:
2Ch 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;
Something about marks:
Jer 2:22 For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
About Buying / Wisdom:
Isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Pro 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
etc. etc.
I don't think this signified book (Rev 1:1) is pointing to something in the flesh like implants. I am sure whatever prophetic sources or shepherds are telling their sheep to be wary about implants are just fear-mongering and don't have a clue as to what the gospel or mark really is.
loveroftruth:
nshan, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS in showing me these truths and taking the time to get me the links; I will relearn these things. (UGH!! I used to know these things, … and I have to be reminded of them, that's why I am back at BT's. I REALLY needed to hear all of this again.) This time I will never forget what I have fought so hard to learn (in the past). You are so right, this is all FIGURATIVE, not to be LITERALLY discerned... (thank goodness, lol)...I just know that the money system may change, but that's ok, as it wont affect our faith in HIM.... thanks so much again.
Blessings,
Susan
zander:
Hi Guys,
I have been on and off this forum for years. I first discovered it in about 2004.
I find this topic interesting. I understand Ray and the points he made that the "mark" and the "buy and sell" is symbolic.
Having said that, I do wonder whether the evil powers of this world are using it as a manual to literally carry out their plan.
Like a self-fulfilling prophecy. So ultimately, will they want to implant a chip inside us all that has a 666 mark on it? Despite the fact that this act is entirely separate with what it really meant in the Bible.
Looking at how things are going on in the world at the moment, this wouldn't surprise me. And of course, many church going Christians will refuse it.
I just wonder if anyone else would. I must say it's not something I would want to have, regardless. Only because I don't want to be treated like the family dog and be chipped.
indianabob:
Hi Zander,
The best way to deal with an over zealous government official is to be anonymous or invisible...!
When they are dealing with the masses, your personal differences don't even surface to be noted.
Just do what they force you to do and and don't rock their boat.
Most if not all of these schemes are about officials feeling good about helping the voters and remaining in office.
When you disagree with their well meant advice it frightens them.
God knows your heart and you will be fine as long as you don't ask them for any special favors.
I just took 2400 dollars from the government that I don't need.
So what to do? Send it back and bring attention to myself? NO!
Just started sharing it as generous tips with local workers who need it for their families and let sleeping dogs lie.
ole Indiana Bob ;)
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