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ZekeSr:

--- Quote from: Rocco on August 04, 2020, 04:31:27 PM ---In Australia you are required by law to vote failure to vote has a fine of $30 to $80. Double conflict right? How does his verse apply?
Mat 17:27

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Mat 22:17  Therefore tell us; what do you think? Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar or not?
Mat 22:18  But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why do you tempt Me, hypocrites? 
Mat 22:19  Show Me the tribute money. And they brought a denarius to Him. 
Mat 22:20  And He said to them, Whose image and inscription is this? 
Mat 22:21 They said to Him, Caesar's. Then He said to them, Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things which are God's. 

Voting is certainly different from tribute, but since it is required, in my opinion I think Mat 22:21 still applies.

Mike

octoberose:
I've never felt Ray's analogy with being an ambassador for Christ went along with the subject of voting or not voting. I have no idea what the rules of ambassadorship were in the first century, but I know a little of what they are now.  An ambassador represents his country to a another country for sure, but they also do not have to follow the laws of the country they find themselves in (though they can be kicked out of the country for bad conduct).  We, however, live as physical beings in a country and we have to obey the lawful, moral laws of our country and we quite literally pay for the goings on of our country. The UK ambassador to the US does not pay income tax to the US!   I do not for one minute think that I will thwart the will of Almighty God with my vote.  When He makes his will known  that is His will and I will humble myself to it.  But God has chosen to reveal His will by the results of a vote in the country in which I live and I will be a part of it, until my faith tells me to do otherwise.  As it stands now, I can not faithfully Not vote .
 I do not need to vote for a Savior.  I have One.  But Paul declared himself a Roman citizen and used it to his advantage.  I don't think you can read that and say, as has been said, that Paul just wanted to make sure the procedure for whipping him would be procedurally correct . Now, if Paul had denounced his Roman citizenship - which he did not- then that would add to the argument of separating himself from his country. Yes, Paul counted everything else as dung . But every achievement and position in this life is Nothing compared to knowing the Living God.
 If you don't think speaking up for any reason for any issue is a part of being a Christ follower, then don't do it.  I believe differently. 

Heidi:

--- Quote from: Rocco on August 02, 2020, 06:23:24 PM ---
 Act 5:39

But if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God!”

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Wow, what an amazing scripture......thanks for sharing.

Heidi

Heidi:
We are about to have our election in NZ, so the question is to vote or not to vote?

Romans 13:1-7
Submission to Authorities

(Also, 1 Peter 2:13-20)

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid {5737}; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5Wherefore [ye] must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute [is due]; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom.

Heidi:

--- Quote from: Musterseed on August 05, 2020, 12:33:14 PM ---
If you vote, it’s Gods will and if you don’t vote that also is Gods will.

Ray quote “ I will repeat this until I am blue in the face, and perchance somebody out there will say,
“Ah yes, now I get it.”

Every question I ask,,, the answer is All is of God.
                   

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That is wisdom Pamela, thanks.

Heidi

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