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Dave in Tenn:
"According to the US Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] which oversees the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, under the federal coronavirus aid relief bill known as the CARES Act, hospitals get an extra 20% in Medicare reimbursements on top of traditional rates due to the public health emergency.
That's for COVID-19 related admissions, which can include deaths. The pay-out amount varies, according to a medicare spokesperson who said "medicare adjusts hospital payment based on geographic variation in local costs."
An extra 20% in Medicare reimbursements seems fine to me, given the risks to front-line health-care workers and added difficulty for institutions.
If hospitals are inflating numbers of Covid cases, then that means they are treating people who don't have Covid as though they did have Covid. (Or else they are inventing fictional patients). Sounds like malpractice to me. That sounds highly unlikely to me as a money-making scheme. Are private insurers up in arms--those with actual money to lose?
As for collateral damages, it could be argued that they are self-inflicted in the broader society. If we had only done such and such sooner and more effectively, then maybe... Thart question will never be fully answered in the US. We'd have to look abroad for alternative outcomes.
So I wonder how much extra Medicare pays to hospitals in other countries? I'm betting it doesn't pay anything at all. (I speak as a fool).
You see the waves raging, Lareli?
Dennis Vogel:
I don't have a problem with 20% either. But if you looked at the link you'll see CA gets $50k per patient which sounds like more than 20%.
What they are doing is testing and if the patient died of something other than COVID they are still listing it as a COVID death to get that extra income. Hard to resist.
zvezda:
Matthew 24
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
There are a few old threads about the days of Noah. Some members said the last days would be business as usual until the flood (God's wrath) came. But I pointed out v38 that it was business as usual until the day Noah entered the ark (v38), not until the day when the flood came.
And the flood didn't come immediately after Noah entered the ark. It started raining seven days after they entered the ark.
Genesis 7
4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
So it's business as usual until Noah (the elect) entered the ark, then 7 days later the flood came. We don't know what happened outside the ark during those 7 days.
But this year definitely is business NOT as usual. I have been wondering if it means we are in the "7-day period" before the "flood" comes, if so, then this year is just the start of raining and it will get much more rough.
Dennis Vogel:
Concordant:
Gen 7:4 For in seven days further I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe out, off the surface of the entire ground, everyone who has risen, whom I have made.
I looked up partitively which is in Strongs definition of earth/ground and it means:
Google:
"par·ti·tive. (pär′tĭ-tĭv) adj. 1. Dividing or serving to divide something into parts; marked by division."
Strongs of earth/ground:
"From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world."
Ray proves from the scriptures that the flood did not cover the entire earth: https://youtu.be/Fie4lGQ_9kU
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
We know that the word "mountains" could or should have been translated "hills"
Strong's H2022 definition of mountain:
A shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.
And we just have an idea about how long a "cubit" is but 'fifteen cubits' seems to be about 23 to 30 feet.
nshan:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 26, 2020, 02:58:54 PM ---Concordant:
Gen 7:4 For in seven days further I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe out, off the surface of the entire ground, everyone who has risen, whom I have made.
I looked up partitively which is in Strongs definition of earth/ground and it means:
Google:
"par·ti·tive. (pär′tĭ-tĭv) adj. 1. Dividing or serving to divide something into parts; marked by division."
Strongs of earth/ground:
"From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world."
Ray proves from the scriptures that the flood did not cover the entire earth: https://youtu.be/Fie4lGQ_9kU
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
We know that the word "mountains" could or should have been translated "hills"
Strong's H2022 definition of mountain:
A shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.
And we just have an idea about how long a "cubit" is but 'fifteen cubits' seems to be about 23 to 30 feet.
--- End quote ---
It either destroyed all flesh save Noah or not you can't pick and choose. You can easily see this from G2889, H3605, etc. and definitely check out H776. I hate these discussions because there's nothing fruitful but here goes:
No this has not definitely not been proven and the scriptures seem to strongly attest otherwise.
Old world destroyed - new one with divided nations after:
Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world [G2889], but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Gen 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
A little background:
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth [H776] and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Flood waters covering the earth and destroying all (not some) flesh - everything DIED:
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth [H776], to destroy all [H3605] flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth [H776] shall die.
Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all [H3605] flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
Gen 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every [H3605] living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Gen 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
A verse you quoted:
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth [H776] forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth [H6640 + H127 = face of the earth].
H6640 + H127 in action:
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
It's easy to tell when it's talking about a particular piece of land and not the entire earth like in 1Ki 8:40 etc. but in these instances about Noah it's extremely obvious it refers to the entire earth. I'll just choose to believe in God saying he only spared Noah and his family and then divided the nations - if you don't that's fine but I'd rather not be lumped with those who believe that not all flesh was destroyed and show that there are a few who still believe that.
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