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Will we know the hour?
seaofglass:
Where are we I end time prophecy physically, KNOWLEDGE WILL INCREASE?
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
Is, was and will be.
There is nothing new under the sun that will happen to us that hasn’t happened to mankind in general, PHYSICALLY speaking yesterday, today and tomorrow.
BUT spiritually only those chosen will have the man of sin revealed in them. We will see the hideous doctrine of hell for what it is, we will see free will is a farce, we sill see the man of sin not “a man of sin”; while professing bible thumpers will call it God’s divine judgment and will persecute you for claiming otherwise. They will continue their singing and dancing at the churches, synagogue and temples while they hold a 38 in one hand and THEIR scripture in another. Remember, Satan uses the Scripture with twist and turn to foster his version, while those with the truth know God’s true message.
Their god is a god of fire and brimstone, ours is a God of love.
We on the other hand will be scrutinized by the spirit even in our smallest rough edge attitude and we will be forever repenting till God calls us. Moses was given power and he lost his cool, stroked the rock and gave them water. Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land.
Our battle is a battle for our spiritual mind where we will be afflicted, pruned, tied as gold in the spiritual fire like no other people on the earth. Like Daniel who was given a global view of things to come, God will revealed to us the state of our time if we keep a watchful eye and keeping the oil burning.
911 changed Rays mind about things; this covid 19/mask/vacine mandate to gain full control, alternate behavior to be accepted, deliberate infrastructural breakdown, etc. should be a BIG RED SIGN last day Sodom and Gomorrah is upon us for sure.
Since 1776 and the creation of the dollar bill the “New World Order” was printed on the back of the dollar and the public new nothing of this. The Pyramid with the cap detached indicate those controlling things are not part of the masses as they were unknown until today “for there is nothing that is hidden that shall not be revealed” Luke 8:17. It has taken me over 10 years to acquire a load of information that had to be screened completely before I could open my mouth. People’s behavior are so out of sync it is an incredible thing to witness. You can now claim to be a salmon and it has to be accepted, a pedophilia is ok, up is down down is up!! And it is escalating! if you consentrate on just one aspect of all this it wont work. Its all all one big event. Building of the temple in Jerusalem?? Lets keep our minds on our Temple, this is what matter
With all that I now see, I can also see the hour is here! As Ray said when Jesus comes back all hell will be breaking lose on the earth, not just America.
zvezda:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on July 31, 2021, 10:53:32 PM ---Please watch this two minute video. I'm curious if anyone thinks it has anything to do with this discussion? https://youtu.be/nh-CKx95rh0
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According to Ray, Paul wasn't talking about end times.
Here is the transcript (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=5815.0):
Apostasy In The Church
So the Apostles began to realize that they were not going to see Christ set up His kingdom. They knew it was going to be down the road sometimes.
Now they were also given inspiration and prophesies and revelations that there was going to be an apostasy. That there was going to be a falling away from the Truth and it was happening then.
Paul uses the term, the last days and the latter days. It’s referring, in a prophetic sense, to down the road there shall be perilous times. But he was not talking about ‘the end of time,’ he was just talking beyond his time. In other words the last days/latter days he knew it was going to be beyond his time. But he didn’t know how far; 50 years, 100 years or 1000.
But he probably wanted to see all of it, but his demise was coming pretty fast. Also he also realized that it was happening then. Not the full impact, but it was beginning to happen.
People write me all the time and want to know, ‘do you think the Pope is the antichrist or do you think that Saddam Hussein was the antichrist (not any more).’ Everybody wants to know who the antichrist is. I say there is no such thing as ‘the antichrist’ in the Bible. If you show me the words ‘the antichrist’ in the Bible, I’ll give you $100. There is no such thing as ‘the’ antichrist or ‘the’ great tribulation. It’s not in there. These are theological inventions, they are not Scripture. There is not the antichrist, there are many antichrist.
By the time John wrote 1st, 2nd and 3rd John, he said there were many antichrists and they are already here. Many antichrists.
I John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come,
There is not one boggy man coming and he’s going to sit upon a big throne over in Jerusalem, in a temple and he’s going to say ‘I’m god, I created the heaven and the earth.’ All this will be on national TV, and they will say, ‘he’s god.’ Well how do you know that? ‘Because he said so.’ Is he going to call fire down out of heaven? Then we would know for sure it’s god. They would say, ‘he may look like a man, but he’s god.’ Oh come on, it will never happen. All this junk that they are looking for, it will never happen.
Oh there is somebody that sits on the throne, in the temple of God, claiming to be God. But it’s you and me, not some boggy man. WE are the temple of God, who sits on the throne of our temple. It should be Jesus Christ, but before it is Jesus Christ, it’s us. We sit there, we are the little gods. We are the ones that think we have free moral agency - free will and all such other unscriptural nonsense.
zvezda:
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 25, 2021, 03:47:10 PM ---
Hi Dennis and folks,
Just wondering, could the building of a third temple in Jerusalem be one sign that we can expect and if it does occur can we presume that it is a true indication of progression of events leading to Jesus' return?
I know that the Muslims would strongly resist construction on the temple mount, but there is disagreement about whether that needs to be the location. Plus it would require the intervention of a strong force or government entity and that could also be a sign.
Indiana Bob
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--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on July 31, 2021, 07:01:32 PM ---Thayer's Greek Lexicon translates that word "place" in Matthew 24:15 as "temple".
Could there be a 3rd temple to be built in Jerusalem to fulfill these verses in the natural realm?
Satan loves to be worshipped, as he tempted Jesus with it.
Satan does enter people, as he entered Judas to betray Jesus.
Satan would love to be worshipped by all humanity. Could this happen by entering another man, like he did with Judas?
Is it God's will for this to happen literally?
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I don't think we need to look at Jerusalem. For prophetic purposes, Jerusalem is actually "Sodom & Egypt".
from Ray's towers paper:
So, who is Egypt and Sodom TODAY? And who is Israel TODAY?
Is the Israel of all these major prophecies (foretold to happen before the coming of God's government to this earth), the handful of racially mixed tenants of the State of Israel today? Give me a break.
Is the Jerusalem in prophecy inside today's Israel? Don't take my word for it
" And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:8).
And where was our Lord crucified? In literal Sodom? NO. In literal Egypt? NO. He was crucified in Jerusalem, which is now for prophetic purposes, "SODOM & EGYPT!"
Read the towers paper and see which country is today's State of Israel.
Regarding "the abomination of desolation", yes, some people said it happened in 70AD, but many prophecies have numerous fulfillments, physical first then and spiritual.
So if the abomination of desolation is also an end time prophesy, then we should look at which city/country is today's Jerusalem/Israel.
hint hint: Jerusalem/Israel ==> DC/USA
Read Daniel 12:7, this verse tells us when all these things will be ended. Actually months ago I posted this verse in another thread and quoted Ray's towers paper to show which country is today's Israel, and asked if Daniel 12:7 was about the government. But then the other mod saw the word "government" and immediately deleted my post. So, take this verse however you like, we are not allowed to discuss it.
AwesomeSavior:
Interestingly....Ray's paper entitled, "In the Day of the Great Slaughter, when the Towers Fall" does utilize a literal interpretation of Isaiah 30:25, with a picture of the Twin Towers in the background on the homepage.
Ray didn't seem to have a problem with taking that verse and applying it for the events of 2001.
The book of Revelation mentions the return of Jesus. Is that going to eventually happen literally at one point, or is this only to be a spiritual return?
zvezda:
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on August 02, 2021, 12:04:32 AM ---Interestingly....Ray's paper entitled, "In the Day of the Great Slaughter, when the Towers Fall" does utilize a literal interpretation of Isaiah 30:25, with a picture of the Twin Towers in the background on the homepage.
Ray didn't seem to have a problem with taking that verse and applying it for the events of 2001.
The book of Revelation mentions the return of Jesus. Is that going to eventually happen literally at one point, or is this only to be a spiritual return?
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I remember Ray wasn't the only one that linked Isaiah 30:25 to 9/11.
If it's a spiritual return, how would the unbelievers (aka spiritual dead people) be aware of His spiritual return?
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