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how to address Jesus in the resurrection
Rene:
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"we believe the truth because we ARE saved".
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It is not that we are saved because we first believed.
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When God decided to give us belief He first gave us salvation. Each in their own order.
Free for nothing.
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Bob,
Getting SAVED is a PROCESS. You may want to take the time to read the transcript from Ray's bible study entitled "How Hard is Getting Saved?" because what you stated above is in total contradiction.
Here is the link to the transcript and an excerpt from this study:
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,3849.0.html Transcript
"Acts 2:21 MKJV
21 And it shall be that everyone who shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Am I denying that scripture? No, I’m not denying that scripture. What I’m saying is Christendom doesn’t know what that scripture means. Maybe many of you don’t know what that scripture means. But I’m here to tell you that if you do call upon the name of the Lord, you shall be saved. Notice, it is in the future tense. It doesn’t say you “have been” saved: if you believe you “have been already” saved. You’ll read that in my new paper too (Fools, Hypocrites, Snakes). I’ve talked about this already but here I bring it all out, I show you every scripture…there is no scripture in the bible that says anybody has ever been saved while they were still alive. You know that? There is no such thing as “being saved” in the past tense, while you are still alive.
There’s a reason why Christ says, “They’ll hate you and persecute you and everything, but he that endures until the END has “already been” saved….no, you endure to the end and then you SHALL be saved.” You are not saved, unless and until, we come up in the first resurrection. That is the only proof that anyone will have that they are saved, if you come up in the first resurrection. If you don’t, then you are not saved; it’s just axiomatic, if you don’t come up in that resurrection"
Porter:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 08, 2022, 12:11:59 PM ---Porter,
So when God makes me immortal or undying it is a finished work. It is all clear sailing for me for ever after.
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Immortality is great and all, but I see it as merely a side benefit of the real prize of winning Christ. I'm not ignorant of the fact, that this might be an unpopular view, but I'm totally fine with that.
Mistakes, misunderstandings and ignorance are easier to admit and accept as I realize the flawed state and condition of my character - hence the need for the Second Man, the New Man, so the old man and his flaws can die. Like Ray said, this is a process that takes a lifetime.
What we have now is merely a "down payment" for the promise of the redemption of our souls. The finished work is that of Christ's sacrifice on the cross for the atonement of our sins. All that is left to do, is to get the sin out of the sinner, as Ray would say. I die daily, but I'm not there yet. It's like that verse from John.
Joh 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
I do wonder, though, is it possible to win Christ in this lifetime? Is this what Paul meant?
2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Paul endured to the end, his old man died, and Christ lived His life through Paul. It sounds like Jesus will give Paul a reward for being a good and faithful servant in this life. So, what is the goal, and when is it accomplished?
AK4:
I forget who said something along the lines of what benefit would it be if you were the generation that fulfills 1 Cor 15:51 prophecy. Well "I " stumbled upon this Rev 20:6, a very direct answer from the scriptures of the benefits of being one of the ones that fulfilled that prophecy
Rev 20:6
King James Bible
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Then whatelse does the scriptures say we will do? Ray revealed many many many...did i say many....many scriptures showing what we will be doing, if we are part of that generation. We are saving the world, with Jesus the scriptures say!!
AK4:
I started listening and following along again to the lake of fire series. Ray mentions Rev 20:6 along with many other verses how 1 Cor 15:51 can/will be true.
There's a lot we have to do
SMITTY7000:
In Zechariah 14, which is a chapter devoted to the “Day of the Lord”, there is a verse [:12] that talks about the plague that the Lord smites the people with who fought against Jerusalem. Their flesh, eyes and tongue will consume away. [ H4743 mâqaq maw-kak' A primitive root; to melt; figuratively to flow, dwindle, vanish: - consume away, be corrupt, dissolve, pine away.]. This seems to me to be the vanishing of the flesh and the entry into the spirit realm. Here I think that this will be to all, - the good, the bad and the ugly. If our Great God will have all to be saved, I have to ask the question here “What good is the flesh any longer at this point”. In :15 it even talks about the animal’s flesh having the same plague – [ no flesh animals in the Kingdom _ Isaiah 11:6]
I believe this is the change that all will experience at that time spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15:52. In the “twinkling of the eye” will not take very long but this makes me think that the flesh dies here as we move into the spirit realm.
Everyone will be spirit. :53. It is not alien to my thinking that all could put on immortality here as well. Is it not God`s will that all will be saved? Our wonderful Creator has the power to bring all to judgement in their own time according to His timing, with or without immortality. Will we not all eventually move into eternity after the eons of judgement have passed?
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