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eutychus:
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--- Quote from: love_magnified ---I don't agree with the constraint as it seems unfair to restrict me from using a resource, albeit an imperfect one. There is no perfect translation. But I understand why you distrust the King James. The reason I mentioned it is because most folks who believe in hell also believe that the King James is infallible. I no longer believe that, but I still see it as a valuable resource. Shouldn't I be able to use a resource that I find to be valuable?
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I'm sorry for making it seem like I was trying to restrict you. I just meant that I personally will not be using it as it is generally the most unreliable of the translations, though I do enjoy the poetry of it as opposed to some of our newer translations.
The translations I will be using are the ESV and NASB. Once in a while I go to the NIV or TNIV.
Thanks for helping me clarify.
Brandon
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brandon,
is there anyway for you to move from eternal punishment to anihalation?
(SP)
maybe we can move on from there???
and do you think the lake of fire is ageless???
peace
chuckt
brokenagain:
--- Quote from: eutychus ---
--- Quote from: brokenagain ---
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---I don't agree with the constraint as it seems unfair to restrict me from using a resource, albeit an imperfect one. There is no perfect translation. But I understand why you distrust the King James. The reason I mentioned it is because most folks who believe in hell also believe that the King James is infallible. I no longer believe that, but I still see it as a valuable resource. Shouldn't I be able to use a resource that I find to be valuable?
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I'm sorry for making it seem like I was trying to restrict you. I just meant that I personally will not be using it as it is generally the most unreliable of the translations, though I do enjoy the poetry of it as opposed to some of our newer translations.
The translations I will be using are the ESV and NASB. Once in a while I go to the NIV or TNIV.
Thanks for helping me clarify.
Brandon
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brandon,
is there anyway for you to move from eternal punishment to anihalation?
(SP)
maybe we can move on from there???
and do you think the lake of fire is ageless???
peace
chuckt
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Yes, I do think the Lake of Fire is eternal. I don't go along with Ray's analysis of the word aion, mainly because my own word study yielded quite different results and the figurative meaning of the word in the context of first century Palestine disagrees with Ray's study.
I'm not sure if I am annihilationist or not. I believe that it is certainly possible that the Lake of Fire is the annihilation of the wicked. I have leaned toward that interpretation for a long time. I do know that I cannot believe at all that anyone comes out of the Lake of Fire or that the Lake of Fire is a figurative image used for the purifying of sin that remains in souls.
For the sake of discussion I suppose I could accept that the Lake of Fire is equivalent to annihilation. That still does not make me a universalist in any sense.
Brandon
hillsbororiver:
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Hades, you're right, is death, but not with a sense of finality. Hades is the realm of death, or the realm of the dead. It is the NT equivalent of Sheol. In Hades all souls await their final judgment, this is what is meant in Revelation 20 when Hades "gives up its dead." At that point souls either enter Heaven or are thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Brandon
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Brandon, I see you reference Rev. Ch. 20 proceeding this statement, but how about some chapter and verse for the statement's assumption, are the first resurrection and the White Throne Judgement one and the same, why is there need for a resurrection of the "souls" alive in Hades?
Thanks,
Joe
eutychus:
in assure you the fire goes out!!
Job 18:5 Yea, the light of the wicked shall be put out, and the spark of his fire shall not shine.
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he [is] like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap
refiners fire always goes out when he is finnished.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, The LORD [is] my God.
Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
why resurrect the dead to kill them again?????????????
Sorin:
--- Quote from: brokenagain ---That premise is that hell certainly exists and that it does not detract from the glory or mercy of God. In fact, it further glorifies God.
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:shock:
Blasphemy!!
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