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AwesomeSavior:
If this passage were to mean strictly "long hair" only, with no other possibilities, then at what length is too long for any man?
Is there a chapter and verse which defines this forbidden length? Top of the ear, middle of the ear, bottom, etc?
Otherwise, that could easily lead into judging people for no real cause.
Anjel Uriel:
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on April 25, 2022, 07:46:11 AM ---Anjel:
One of the more famous Nazarites from the Old Testament was Samson, who had 7 (nice Biblical number) locks of hair, upon which "there hath not come a razor upon my head (Judges 16:13,17). What happened when Delilah had one of her men shave off his 7 locks (H4253: also known as ringlets) of hair? "And he (Samson) wist not that the LORD was departed from him" (Judges 16:19-20). And of course it wouldn't be unusual for Nazarite men in the time of Jesus (and preceding) to have a problem wearing long hair, especially using the disastrous example of Samson in their lineage and in keeping with Numbers 6. Here is a question: What is the exact biblical definition of long hair? Ear length, shoulder length, rotator cuff length and beyond?
Regarding 1 Corinthians 11:14, if you look at the Greek word for "have long hair", it is komao (G2863), which simply defined does seems to offer the exact same explanation. That word, komao, is interesting. If you do the first root word search of it, it is kome (G2864), and Strongs' defines that word as having "ornamental" locks. In other words, something a woman might do to dress her hair up, if she is so inclined. Tresses can, by itself, simply means locks of hair, going back to the Samson example.
In conclusion, does God have a problem with a man wearing "long" hair (whatever length that represents), assuming he isn't trying to (in a nod to the Apostle Paul) make it "ornamental", and therefore making the man appear like a woman?
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Hi Dean, I believe that the thing with long hair is not so much the length but the intention and appearance it gives. I believe God would have a problem with a man that is using “long hair” to appear as a woman. I believe this is a case similar to Deuteronomy 22:5 where a man and a woman shouldn’t wear what pertains to the other gender. However, we know that cultural norms change and in that time clothes men wore in those days would be considered dresses today and feminine. But, with God’s Spirit we should be able to discern if a man or woman is wearing what pertains to the other just by looking at them. I believe this excerpt (email in bold) from a email to Ray gives a good explanation.
Perharps you have time to answer this question, concerning Deut 22:5 where the bible says a woman should not wear what pertain to man. in the society of today, most wears that women wear is PANTs (trouser) and relied on this time of grace.
COMMENT: Centuries ago women wore long pants, and men wore the equivalent of dresses (kilts), and the like.
When you see a transvestite, you will know without being told, what wearing what pertains to a man or woman is.
Our Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, often wears pant suits, and she looks very feminine.
I believe long hair is the same. We might not be given an exact Scriptural length but we should be able to discern when it looks good and when in the words of Paul “looks shameful”. Plus we should abstain from all acts and appearances of evil ( 1 Thessalonians 5:22) and even though we might grow out our hair with no intention of looking like a woman, it can give the wrong impression to other people. I speak of experience because I used to have long hair, shoulder length to be precise and even though I didn’t grow it out because I wanted to make it ornamental it nonetheless had the unfortunate effect of making me look womanly and I know this because I straight got told “you look like a woman”. Now, this could be because I naturally have a softer looking face and can’t grow facial hair as well as having naturally curls but despite those things, when I cut my hair shorter, I didn’t get those comments, even though I still have curls. Also, at the time I didn’t know of that comment by Paul so I don’t believe God holds it against me since I did it in ignorance and Paul said that “But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches” (1 Corinthians 11:16).
I, personally, would like to grow out my hair again, however, I can not do it in good conscience and we know that if you betray your conscience you are sinning because all that is not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). So although I would like to do it, is not so important to me that I would go against my conscious.
Finally, I see this in a similar fashion to the food issue Paul mentioned. Just as the Kingdom is not eating and drinking (Romans 14:17), I don’t think is about crew cuts and ringlets. Rather, we should focus more on becoming righteous and following on Jesus’ footsteps.
ZekeSr:
Concerning the shroud, a faked and venerated piece of cloth put on display by, and seated firmly in the hands of, faithless relic fondling Babylon, this is my last response to this thread as it is a waste of time.
Pro 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
ralph:
--- Quote from: AwesomeSavior on April 25, 2022, 02:53:39 PM ---If this passage were to mean strictly "long hair" only, with no other possibilities, then at what length is too long for any man?
Is there a chapter and verse which defines this forbidden length? Top of the ear, middle of the ear, bottom, etc?
Otherwise, that could easily lead into judging people for no real cause.
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I had a conversation with my wife shortly after reading this thread and said something very similar to what you mention here.
Wendy:
Hope everyone is well ..
Was just wondering what are those numbers some of you put in your letters mean (g2863. G2864. Ext .
Tks
God bless
Wendy
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