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Giving Christ His due
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---but we know that the called are spiritual Israel so it can’t be physical Israel.
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FYI: The 'State of Israel' (government) is not our friend.
Musterseed:
Also for your information as a fellow worshiper of Christ.
I noticed you have used the word allowing/ allowed.
To quote you”” I have a long way to go ALLOWING Christ to work in me.
and “ anyway it really won’t matter in my case if I have not ALLOWED Christ
to work in me.
Phil. 2:13… For it is God ( who,man? No,) God which works in you both to
will and to do of His good pleasure.
John 6:44… NO ONE can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw ( Greek, drag)
him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:16… You have not chosen me , but I have chosen you.
John 15: 5… I am the vine , you are the branches, for WITHOUT ME , you can do nothing.
God is sovereign. He is in control of everything and does not change.
Sir, do you really think in your heart that God needs your permission
to make you ready?
Romans 9:21.. Has not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump
to make one vessel unto honor and one unto dishonour?
Contrary to what is taught in Christianity,
to quote Ray “ Man is not running God’s creation, God is.”
This word allow ,,,, in my humble opinion, demeans the Sovereignty of God.
And this free Will doctrine free moral agency is one of lawlessness. See 2 Thes.2-3.
I don’t have much contact with Christians , none really except the ones who come to my door
or call me on the phone to do a survey about Covid before they profess they are Christian and
try to convince me that I must ALLOW God to come into my heart as if I had the power
and Will myself. I am not trying to offend you Sir, I am just stating Scriptures of which
I truly believe and pray that you consider getting away from using this word, allow.
Again,,, it is not scriptural.
In Christ , Pamela
Dynamo54:
I can’t be offended Pamela, and I appreciate you taking the time and thought to comment. 😀
I agree that “allow” could be taken the wrong way. In my mind it goes along with me not getting in the way of Christ. I agree totally that I cannot restrict whatever Christ has in store for my path to the Family.
I see myself as I am and know that if Christ returned today that I would not be with him. I also know that He will do as He has planned for me in my life. I just really have difficulty thinking I am elect. All your scriptures are on point…I read them often. I would be grateful if I had indication that I am elect, but then Paul says take heed if you think you stand lest you fall. So it is probably best not to know. I don’t plan on giving up.
Thanks for your input.
ralph:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on June 19, 2022, 07:09:41 PM ---Also for your information as a fellow worshiper of Christ.
I noticed you have used the word allowing/ allowed.
To quote you”” I have a long way to go ALLOWING Christ to work in me.
and “ anyway it really won’t matter in my case if I have not ALLOWED Christ
to work in me.
Phil. 2:13… For it is God ( who,man? No,) God which works in you both to
will and to do of His good pleasure.
John 6:44… NO ONE can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw ( Greek, drag)
him, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 15:16… You have not chosen me , but I have chosen you.
John 15: 5… I am the vine , you are the branches, for WITHOUT ME , you can do nothing.
God is sovereign. He is in control of everything and does not change.
Sir, do you really think in your heart that God needs your permission
to make you ready?
Romans 9:21.. Has not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump
to make one vessel unto honor and one unto dishonour?
Contrary to what is taught in Christianity,
to quote Ray “ Man is not running God’s creation, God is.”
This word allow ,,,, in my humble opinion, demeans the Sovereignty of God.
And this free Will doctrine free moral agency is one of lawlessness. See 2 Thes.2-3.
I don’t have much contact with Christians , none really except the ones who come to my door
or call me on the phone to do a survey about Covid before they profess they are Christian and
try to convince me that I must ALLOW God to come into my heart as if I had the power
and Will myself. I am not trying to offend you Sir, I am just stating Scriptures of which
I truly believe and pray that you consider getting away from using this word, allow.
Again,,, it is not scriptural.
In Christ , Pamela
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It did not come across as offensive Pamela. It came across, to me at least, like a loving rebuke from a concerned friend.
ralph:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on June 19, 2022, 05:22:57 PM ---
--- Quote ---but we know that the called are spiritual Israel so it can’t be physical Israel.
--- End quote ---
FYI: The 'State of Israel' (government) is not our friend.
--- End quote ---
Exactly right Dennis.
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