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Question on Ray's Trinity Paper
ralph:
Near the top of Ray's paper on the trinity (https://bible-truths.com/trinity.html), he states:
"Four, the holy spirit is never called "God."
I believe I understand what Ray is saying here, but wanted verification. Thank you.
I wanted to add something. The reason I bring this up is because I sent this paper to someone on social media who was having doubts about the Trinity doctrine. This person said the above statement of rays was incorrect and then he sited the following scripture as proof that the holy spirit is called God.
John 4:24
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
Not that I think more about this, I believe what Ray is saying is that you won't find the statement "God, The Holy Spirit" in scripture. I could be wrong which is why I wanted clarification. Thanks again.
indianabob:
--- Quote from: ralph on December 01, 2022, 11:26:29 AM ---Near the top of Ray's paper on the trinity (https://bible-truths.com/trinity.html), he states:
"Four, the holy spirit is never called "God."
I believe I understand what Ray is saying here, but wanted verification. Thank you.
I wanted to add something. The reason I bring this up is because I sent this paper to someone on social media who was having doubts about the Trinity doctrine. This person said the above statement of rays was incorrect and then he sited the following scripture as proof that the holy spirit is called God.
Hi
John 4:24
24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
Not that I think more about this, I believe what Ray is saying is that you won't find the statement "God, The Holy Spirit" in scripture. I could be wrong which is why I wanted clarification. Thanks again.
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Hi ralph,
Good question. I understand that Ray was explaining that the spirit of God is not a person of any description and certainly not part of a three
person god head. So that leaves only two real persons to debate about concerning who is a god or God. In my understanding that leaves God the Father from whom all things come and God the son through whom all things other than the Father come. (?) smile
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So then we could say God is spirit or not seen and no one has ever seen God or ever heard a voice of God. God does manifest in the form of wind or fire or cloud but that is not God, it is a physical manifestation sent by God to get our attention or teach us a lesson.
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The English word spirit is from the Hebrew ruach or the Greek pneuma, both of which mean breath or moving air or wind which has an effect in the earthly environment while yet being invisible so that we know of the "breath" only because of it's effect and not by seeing it manifested.
See Ezek 37:9
Jn 3:8
Jn 20:22
Acts 2:2
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2Tim 3:16 = inspiration of God, breathing in of God's thoughts or spirit for our learning.
ralph:
Thank you Bob. I appreciate the response. Much love bro.
Dave in Tenn:
Actually, of the three mentioned in the doctrine of the trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), there is only one who could be described as a person--the Son. This Ray pointed out.
Ralph, this is what Ray is talking about...the doctrine or teaching of the trinity. Your friend may be having doubts about "the trinity", but his mind is still there. Let's avoid turning the doctrine of a trinity into a doctrine of a duality. We've not "demoted" a "person" at all.
GOD is SPIRIT. He'll have to figure out what "Spirit" is on his own.
Musterseed:
2John 1:3… Grace be with you ,mercy and peace from God the Father and from the
Lord Jesus Christ, THE SON OF THE FATHER.
Ray taught , Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father, the Supreme Deity. He was conceived
by the Holy Spirit of the Father ( God’s power) and therefore He is the Son of the Father.
Matt.1:18… Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: when as His mother Mary
Was espoused to Joseph , before they came together, she was found with Child of the Holy Ghost.
V20…. for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Amplified Bible….she was found to be with Child by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Contemporary English Version….. she was going to have a baby by God’s Holy Spirit.
But if the Holy Spirit is a person ( human flesh and blood) as taught by trinitarians, then
the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus and should be stated. IT IS NOT.
And one more thing ……. In all of Paul’s greetings in his epistles, not once does he acknowledge
the Holy Spirit.
In Christ , Pamela
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