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Question on Ray's Trinity Paper
Musterseed:
Rom. 2:11…. For there is no respect of persons with God.KJV
Person…. A human being.
Christ is a man, (1 Tim 2:5-6) a human being, a person.
And if the Holy Spirit is a person , then this scripture says that God does not respect
either the person Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
Does this scripture blow the trinity out the wazoo?
Please let me know if I am misinterpreting. I just noticed this yesterday.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on January 09, 2023, 05:38:43 PM ---Rom. 2:11…. For there is no respect of persons with God.KJV
Person…. A human being.
Christ is a man, (1 Tim 2:5-6) a human being, a person.
And if the Holy Spirit is a person , then this scripture says that God does not respect
either the person Jesus or the Holy Spirit.
Does this scripture blow the trinity out the wazoo?
Please let me know if I am misinterpreting. I just noticed this yesterday.
--- End quote ---
Three places where this phrase is used in the KJV:
2Ch_19:7 Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts.
Rom_2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Col_3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
And some alternate translations of Romans 2:11
(BBE) For one man is not different from another before God.
(CEV) God doesn't have any favorites!
(EMTV) For there is no partiality with God.
(ESV) For God shows no partiality.
(GW) God does not play favorites.
(ISV) because God does not show partiality.
(KJV) For there is no respect of persons with God.
(LEB) For there is no partiality with God.
(LSV) For there is no favor by appearance with God,
(YLT) For there is no acceptance of faces with God,
So you may be making a bit of a stretch. "Respecting persons" is simply showing favoritism. Here's a more complete passage.
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
To use the word "person" in "describing" God is only important to Theologians. "God in Three Persons! Blessed Trinity!". "Oh yeah? Well, God is NOT three persons". It's not a badge of honor or some kind of holy title. It's just a word and has a meaning.
Musterseed:
Awesome Dave , thank you.
I and my Father are one ,,,, not three.
octoberose:
I do wonder though about God not showing favoritism. Wouldn’t we think that God’s Elects are his ‘favorites’ ? They are favored in a way no one else is. Yet it says God does not show favoritism. I’m not sure how to understand this.
Dynamo54:
October rose, I believe that Ray said that God DID have favorites. He said that is what special, or peculiar people was saying. But Ray did go to some length in saying that God is not a respecter of persons. I understand that to mean that we are ALL held to the same standard…by that I mean God does not let one type/class of people (say kings, or rich, or wise, or ministers, etc.) get away with sinning. We all pay the same price for sinning. But Ray did say that God’s elect are His favorites. Just like the Apostle John was a favorite, and Jacob was a favorite over Esau.
As I have stated here in the past, while I don’t claim to be an elect, I am really hoping that one day I find myself in the Kingdom at the first resurrection and then I will KNOW I was/am a favorite.
On last thing that Ray did say was that God will favor all people by admittance to the Elohim family. So everybody will be a favorite.
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