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I was hoping for more clarity on Jesus on the cross and the thief and what he said about Paradise.  Just saying that there’s a comma in the wrong place is not enough for me. Maybe that’s all there is, but I keep thinking there’s got to be more.  Paradise is a Garden - is that how it should be translated ?  That’s not heaven.  I get tripped up on this one thing.

2 Corth. 12:2.’ I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught
up to the third heaven………

VS.3.’’ How that he was caught up into paradise and heard unspeakable
words, which is not lawful for a man to utter.

Rev.12 :5.’’ And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with
a Rod of iron, and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.

G3857…..par-ad- i - sos, of oriental origin. A park, that is ( specifically) an Eden,
place of future happiness, paradise.

I would say that place is In Christ.

Caught up, G726, harpazo, Gi38, to seize ( in various applications)
catch ( away up) pluck, pull, take,( by force)

This is my understanding.

Octoberose, I was reading the transcript of They Despise The Word Of God
today and I came across this from Ray.

Rev.2:7….. to him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life,
which is in the midst of the paradise of God .

The thief on the cross will be with Jesus in this judgment/ paradise. Luke 23:43

By the way, this transcript is very revealing.

In Christ, Pamela

Where did you find that ?  I’ll read that for sure.  I’m not understanding the judgement/ paradise on the day they died- but how would they go through judgment at the same time ?    If what we teach ( and I believe it ) is that judgement comes after we are resurrected , Jesus was resurrected in three days and the thief is still dead.   This is going to take a while to understand !Thank you for any resources.

Dave in Tenn:
My guess is, it's this one.  Pamela can correct me if I'm wrong.



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