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ZekeSr:
Hello Porter. First, let me say that I appreciate the way you and so many have “done their homework”. Whether or not we come to a final agreement, it seems to me that the simple fact of digging in and studying is the more important aspect. Yes, we do want to know exactly what was meant by some of these confusing verses. And we must be careful not to do what the mainstream churches have done by twisting them into misleading dogma. But I learn so much simply from what myself and others have come across by searching the Scriptures. Often, this has little or nothing to do with the original intent of the study.

With that being said, I’m still not convinced that my opinion is necessarily incorrect. Even after examining the verses pointed out by yourself or others. In fact, studying some of them has deepened my own opinion. However, I’m not going to continue trying to debate the subject. I don’t believe it is necessary or constructive at this time. I believe we have all learned something from this and I will continue to ponder, study and consider. Perhaps that is the real purpose behind some of these confusing verses. And perhaps there is duality behind some of these issues in the same way that the Bible itself is dual in formation (a rather deep subject for another day—maybe too deep).

Mike

Porter:
It's all good, Mike. For the record, I'm not making a stand of some sort with all that I wrote concerning 1Peter 3:19. Like you, I have no interest in debating anything for the same reasons. To me, if whatever we are discussing isn't edifying to the body of Christ, then it's not worth discussing. That's not to say unedifying discussions don't have a place here. And if I came off as sounding as though I wanted to debate, forgive me; it wasn't my intention.

I'm willing to continue discussing this, if the mods or any other forum members do not object. I'm sure we can find where Ray taught on things similar to what 1Peter 3 taught and go from there.

ZekeSr:
Hello Porter,
No, you did not come across sounding confrontational or off-putting. In retrospect, I can see my use of the word debate was not a good choice, especially in light of the ambiance of today’s world. So, I do apologize for that. I don’t have much more to add at the moment. Even so, I don’t object to further discussion. But I must say that my research into the Scriptures concerning this subject has taken me down some additional “rabbit holes” that I must explore. I don’t suppose it will ever cease in this natural life and I suppose that's the way it's meant to be.

Mike

Musterseed:
Quote from Ray in the LOF Real Origin of Sin.

“ It is good for us that God makes us dig deep for the precious gems of His word.
It really is like searching for hidden treasure. And I have never found a hidden
treasure in God’s word that has disappointed me. Each new discovery brings me
more appreciation for God and His plan of salvation for all.”

I find that when I am searching the scriptures for something specific, God totally
leads me to something that I hadn’t even thought about and takes me to other
fields of nuggets. It’s like He’s saying “ ok , I know you want to know about this scripture but I want you to know these scriptures instead, and it goes on and on.
It’s so awesome how everything is connected and of course the connection is
always Jesus. Praise His Holy name. Let’s keep digging for those apples of gold
and pray for wisdom. May God Bless You All.

I am finding most scriptures and parables to be not only dual but multi- layered.

Porter:

--- Quote from: ZekeSr on May 10, 2023, 08:10:02 AM --- But I must say that my research into the Scriptures concerning this subject has taken me down some additional “rabbit holes” that I must explore.


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--- Quote from: Musterseed on May 10, 2023, 11:50:33 AM ---
I find that when I am searching the scriptures for something specific, God totally
leads me to something that I hadn’t even thought about and takes me to other
fields of nuggets. It’s like He’s saying “ ok , I know you want to know about this scripture but I want you to know these scriptures instead, and it goes on and on.


I am finding most scriptures and parables to be not only dual but multi- layered.


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I'm beginning to think that the way you two described what happens when searching for one thing leads us to exploring and understanding other things better is the norm. It's like you said, Pamela, you begin to see how it's all connected as one and in One.

For instance, I “accidentally” discovered that when Paul said women (the Greek says wives) should keep silent and should not teach in the Church, it is actually a parable. It is a parable for how the wife or the Church and Bride of Christ should conduct Herself toward Her Husband, Jesus, and toward the whole world. Isn't this what Ray taught when he said the entirety of the bible is Jesus' biography, and whenever see mention of Israel it is talking about Jesus and His Elect Lady? 

Anyhow, the point is, I was looking for answers to 1Peter 3:19, but instead found answers to some other things I wasn't even looking for. This causes me to believe that 1Peter 3:19 is also tied in with Christ and His Elect and that there is a spiritual lesson in there for His Lady Elect, even if I don't fully understand that lesson at this time.

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