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Dave in Tenn:

--- Quote from: zvezda on September 04, 2023, 11:47:34 AM ---

We can hear the wars and rumors of wars only because of the internet.
Think about it, how many wars and rumors of wars had you heard (from newspaper, TV, radio) before the internet age?
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What's new and unique is the internet age. We wouldn't even have a chance to learn about bible truths if it's not for the internet.
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I turned 67 a few days ago.  That's not horribly old, but about half my life was before the internet age.  We used to have something called TV, and there were news shows on it, even when there were only three or four channels.   ;D  Trust me.  We heard plenty about wars and rumors of wars.  We even used to have drills where we hunkered under our wooden desks at school to learn how to survive thermonuclear war.  Everybody had a radio back then, even before then.  On most stations, news every hour.  Viet-Nam, the middle east, Africa, South and Central America--sometimes even in the streets of the USA.   

Newspaper and periodicals both during and before the age of radio and tv.  I paid my earliest college tuition delivering newspapers.  Often, they contained news.  Wars and rumors of wars. 

Before any of that, town criers and public notices, etc.  How did they raise armies without a means to communicate the need?

I've paid attention to all the words.  And I have this silly notion that "And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars" comes after "...For many shall come...saying" the same way that it works in the real world. 

Who is doing the saying?  And what are they saying?  Who is doing the hearing?  And what are they supposed to do about it?

I've answered those questions.  For myself.  You're welcome to them, if you want them.  Just not privately. 

zvezda:

--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on September 05, 2023, 03:08:11 PM ---
I turned 67 a few days ago.  That's not horribly old, but about half my life was before the internet age.  We used to have something called TV, and there were news shows on it, even when there were only three or four channels.   ;D  Trust me.  We heard plenty about wars and rumors of wars.  We even used to have drills where we hunkered under our wooden desks at school to learn how to survive thermonuclear war.  Everybody had a radio back then, even before then.  On most stations, news every hour.  Viet-Nam, the middle east, Africa, South and Central America--sometimes even in the streets of the USA.   

Newspaper and periodicals both during and before the age of radio and tv.  I paid my earliest college tuition delivering newspapers.  Often, they contained news.  Wars and rumors of wars. 



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You may think this is a conspiracy theory -- but if you know who owns and controls the MSM (main stream media), you know 90% of what you heard from TV, radio, newspaper are BS, propaganda and lies.

There were quite a few propaganda from 1915 - 1918 old newspapers about six million jews being persecuted, that's before the holocaust. The MSM started lying long before you were born.

The MSM even lied about the moon landings, 911 attacks, covid pandemic, and as recent as the Hawaii fires.

We all heard about the Russia-Ukraine war that's happening right now, I can tell what the MSM reported about this war are just 100% BS, propaganda and lies. But if you consider all these BS, propaganda and lies are the same things as "wars and rumors of wars", that's fine, I just think there are differences between rumors and lies.

A rumor can be true or false, but it's still an unverified information. It's MSM's job to verify the information before they decide to report it or not. If they haven't verified or they found out the information is false after verifying it, they can't report it because of journalistic ethics and standards. If they go ahead to report it, then it's a flat out lie, not rumor.

So back to Jesus's statement about wars and rumors of wars, it's up to you if you think you did "hear wars and rumors of wars" from TV, radio, newspaper.


Dave in Tenn:
I know what I've seen and heard and I won't be gaslit.

On a side-note:  If you listen to the news, MOST of what they are reporting is what somebody said, essentially.  If they present the fact that somebody said something, that IS the news.

First paragraph (completely fictional example):

The Grand Pooh of Transintania, in a speech televised this morning from his capital office, said in a warning to all citizens that Transintania will be invaded by murderous crickets from outer space Tuesday evening sometime after dark.

What's the news in this completely fictional example?  If you tell me that the news is that Transintania will be invaded by murderous crickets from outer space Tuesday evening sometime after dark, you're not really qualified to explain what "news" is.  The "news" is, "The Grand Pooh of Transintania said..."

There's more questions to ask, and more to dig up, and that's also journalism, but it's not "news" unless it explains, corrects, or casts further light on the first report--that the Grand Pooh of Transintania said what he said.  That kind of journalism, to be honest and ethical, has to be accurate and truthful or be subject to retraction, or ridicule, or both.

There might be plenty of commentary, spin, investigation, speculation on what he said, and probably why.  And a lot of that may be public, but it's not "news".

The good people of Transintania would probably be right to question what he said.  Especially if, by sunrise Wednesday morning, murderous crickets from outer space had not arrived.  But they would probably be wrong to question that he said it, given that so many people listened to his speech.  And these days, there will soon be 1013 videos on Transintaniatube with 757 mutually exclusive theories about why the murderous crickets did not arrive, why the Grand Pooh made the statement, whether the Grand Pooh made the statement at all, and any other related topic that will get clicks. 

Unless, of course, the murderous crickets did arrive at the appointed time---but they were invisible.  (eerie synth music)  I speak as a fool.

       

zvezda:
I know what you mean, but if we go back to talk about the fulfillment of scripture, it's still the internet that makes it possible.

So you (and some people) heard about wars and rumors of wars from the news before the internet age, does it mean the scripture had been fullfilled and we can ignore the fact that many people around the world still didn't have access to the news?

Like I said, I bet many people around the world wouldn't even hear about the 911 attacks if it's not for the internet. It's the internet that allows the news (honest news, fake news, wars and rumors of wars) worldwide available.

Also on a side note: What the MSM reported about the Russia-Ukraine war is not just somebody said something blah blah blah, it's 100% unlike your fictional example. They used green screen backgrounds to lie about their reporters being in the war zone. They re-used old pics from some old news about gas explosion and said the pics were taken from the war zone. They have plenty of flagrant ways for lying, it's not just simply present the fact about somebody saying something.



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