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Porter:
Rose, I agree with Pamela. It's pointless to try to convince anyone of the things we believe here, no matter how much Scriptural proof we have. Even if you do prove them wrong, you might still lose the sale, as Ray liked to say. I've had better success sharing the truth with Universalist than I did sharing with “infernalists”. Even then, those that believed were few and far in between.

Musterseed:
The Parable of the ten virgins.

From the Rapture Paper Ray explains.

Being sober- minded / awake.

Matt.25:7…. then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
Luke 12:35……keep your lamps burning, vs. 36 and be like men who are
waiting for their master.
1 Peter 1:13 …….. Therfore preparing your minds for action, and being sober minded
set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of
Jesus Christ.
Luke 12:43.’…..’Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when
He comes.

Drowsers will not be locked out of the Kingdom.

1:Thes. 5:10, ………wether we be watching or drowsing, we should be living
at the same time together with Him.

This scripture speaks of death as sleep , dozens of times.

Paul is merely mirroring the words of his Lord.
The woman in Matt. 9:18 had died yet Jesus said that she was drowsing,vs.24.

Paul said,” those who do drowse , drowse at night.
Since we are not of the night or darkness , we do not drowse. Those who are
not watchful concerning the things of the Lord are like drunks who drink and
sleep off their drunkenness at night. That’s the spiritual application.

We are to remain sober.
Acts 20:31…. Paul admonishes his disciples to watch. In Corth. 16:13 , Paul
commands , ,,, watch and Col. 4:2 …. In prayer, perserving , watching.


In the parable of the ten virgins , they all nod and drowsed.
The five that were locked out was because they were stupid
and didn’t buy any oil.

Yes, the many called and few chosen.

Porter:
Great find Pamela! More and more, it's starting to seem like the parable of the Ten Virgins is pointing to the few being resurrected to life and the many being resurrected to judgment. It really is all one.



--- Quote ---Mat 13:36  Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41  The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42  And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43  Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
--- End quote ---



The story of Noah's Flood makes a bit more sense to me now. Only a specific part of the earth's region was flooded. And we know from Ray that the earth represents the many in the Church. 

Porter:
This is interesting and maybe another piece of the “puzzle”?

Joe 2:2  a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and dense overcast, like the dawn spreading over the mountains; a great and strong people appears, such as never existed in ages past and never will again in all the generations to come.

Is it me, or is Jesus quoting Joel 2:2?

Mat 24:21  For at that time there will be great tribulation, the kind that hasn't taken place from the beginning of the world until now and never will again!

I can't help but to think that Jesus is referring to His army of chosen saints as “great tribulation”. If you read that entire chapter in Joel 2, it indicates an Army that is quick, efficient and disciplined. I was immediately reminded of the song “when the saints go marching in”. I wonder if Joel 2 was the inspiration for the lyrics of that song.

I couldn't help notice the similarities between the following verses.

Mat 24:22  Unless those days (those days of great tribulation) were limited, no one would survive. But those days will be limited because of the elect.

Rom 9:27  And concerning Israel, Isaiah the prophet cried out, "Though the people of Israel are as numerous as the sand of the seashore, only a remnant will be saved.

Rom 9:28  For the LORD will carry out His sentence upon the earth quickly and with finality."

Rom 9:29  And Isaiah said the same thing in another place: "If the LORD of Heaven's Armies had not spared a few of our children, we would have been wiped out like Sodom, destroyed like Gomorrah."

Any thoughts?

octoberose:
Well, I think great tribulation is great trouble.  Something not pleasant. But, if you’re right then you’ve been given something that is very special to hold onto and to share. It’s a whole new way of looking at it that’s for sure. 

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