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octoberose:
No, not created perfect but death did not come into the world until sin came into the world.  ( Romans 5: 12.  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed until all men…..” )
And just to add something else to it,  Genesis 3- “ Look, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil.  What if he stretches out his hand and takes also from the tree of life and eats, and lives forever? And Yahweh God sent him out from the garden of Eden….”

indianabob:

--- Quote from: octoberose on October 27, 2023, 12:11:16 PM ---No, not created perfect but death did not come into the world until sin came into the world.  ( Romans 5: 12.  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed until all men…..” )
And just to add something else to it,  Genesis 3- “ Look, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil.  What if he stretches out his hand and takes also from the tree of life and eats, and lives forever? And Yahweh God sent him out from the garden of Eden….”

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Hi October,
So if the tree of life hadn't been tasted of yet, then he wasn't immortal yet.
But could he have taken of the tree of life first?
Or does that take a miracle from God to accomplish?

Plus if we think about it...even if he wasn't yet condemned for sin, he and Eve did have to eat for sustenance and breath oxygen to burn food for energy to function.
He or they still were just a "mechanical device" composed of matter and water and invested with the spirit of life and subject to die of starvation or suffocation.

Thanks for all the ideas, Bob

octoberose:
Well, is anyone created actually immortal?   Isn't God the only one who has no beginning or end ? Isn't He the only one set apart from Time?  Is Christ even immortal?  We believe he was created by his Father, as all sons are.  So, He has a beginning, he died and then was raised to Life. Adam was created and I see that he would not have died if he hadn't sinned. What he would have to do to preserve that life is beyond me.  If God wants to keep you alive He will do so by any means He desires.   And is not the Tree of Life actually Christ? Is it an actual tree?  Is there a reason the New Testament keeps telling us that Christ died on the Tree ?   
 Immortality is more than deathlessness.

And then there's this I'd love to get clarification on - I Timothy 613. 
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will display at the proper time- he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. 

So, who is the blessed and only Sovereign? God like I'm thinking? Or no, the verse is referring to Christ? How can it talk about Christ whom no one has seen when they all had seen him? So, I think God alone has immortality. Didn't Ray say no one has seen God and we have no reason to think we ever would?

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote ---"So, I think God alone has immortality" 
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God lives 'eternally' and is not immortal because He alone has no beginning and no end as you point out. Only Jesus has immortality (for now) because He had a beginning as you point out.

octoberose:
Oh , so my meaning was right but the terms were wrong ? Why is it so simple when you say it Dennis and I make it so complicated ?

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