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I hope this isn't too far off-topic from your original question, Aubrey, nor am I sure how deep this is, but I was very excited to discover it today. If it wasn't for your OP, I might not have found this so soon.

I had done a study on the miracle birth of Jesus many months ago and found many types of it in the OT. But one thing always stumped me, and it was a phrase found in 1Ti 2:15 "But she will be saved through childbearing..." We can find this same type in Genesis as a type of judgment on Eve for disobeying God.

Gen 3:16 And to the woman He says, "Multiplying, yea, multiplying am I your grief and the groaning of your pregnancy. In grief shall you bear sons. "Yet by your husband is your restoration, and he shall rule over you.

So as I'm looking for answers to the questions in your OP, I came across this from Ray, which solved that which had me stumped in 1Ti 2:15.


"God pointed out the different judgments against Adam and Eve, such as multiplied childbearing pains, sorrow in gathering food all the days of his life, thorns, thistles, and sweat, but no mention of punishment in death or after death."

If Eve is a type of Bride or Elect, then it makes sense that the judgments on the Elect are being compared to "childbearing". The following verse was the clincher for me, as it explained perfectly that which I did not understand.

Gal 4:19  My children, again I am in the pains of childbirth for you until Christ is formed in you.

It's like the miracle virgin conception/birth of Jesus all over again throughout this whole age, for and through every individual Jesus is saving by His wise and just judgments. Judgments like childbearing can be painful, but there will be a song of joy in the morning!

Isa 54:1  "Rejoice, barren one, who did not give birth; burst into song and shout, you who have not been in labor! For the children of the forsaken one will be more than the children of the married woman," says the LORD.

I thought this was relevant, seeing how this may be another example of where God is "Declaring the end from the beginning".

How many more parallels from the Bible can we find from the specific types and parables listed above? Quite a bit, I think.

Thanks Porter, very interesting.  I will definitely read  the link you left.


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