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I have a question beloved of God. Perhaps unpopular and/or inappropriate.

What is the purpose of the elect in this lifetime/eon or ages passed? Is it only to learn obedience through the things which we do and will suffer anlll as our Lord did?
Is it a narrow pervasive path of judgement and suffering?

All have to go through ‘the lake of fire’ some in this lifetime and others in the resurrection to judgment.  God’s elect are enduring the fires of correction and chastisement now and the rest will experience it later. 

Dave in Tenn:
Here's an unpopular and inappropriate answer.

Mic 6:8  He explained to you,O man, what is good or what the LORD requires from you; but only to execute equity, and to love mercy, and to be prepared to go with your God.

That seems like a good place to start understanding.

This one is maybe a bit less "obvious"...so much so that it really can't be understood with theology.

1Pe 4:17  ...because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment* from the house of God, and if first from us, what the end of those disobedient to the good news of God?
1Pe 4:18  And if the righteous man is scarcely saved, the ungodly and sinner—where shall he appear?

*Judgement G2917
Thayer Definition:
1) a decree, judgments
2) judgment
2a) condemnation of wrong, the decision (whether severe or mild) which one passes on the faults of others
2b) in a forensic sense
2b1) the sentence of a judge
2b2) the punishment with which one is sentenced
2b3) condemnatory sentence, penal judgment, sentence
3) a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2919

A couple more?  To become able to "teach" Proverbs and "preach" Ecclesiastes from our own experience.

It is particularly difficult to rejoice through suffering and trial at the moment. When you find yourself standing all alone(physically), perhaps even on the sand/house built on sand. When your biggest enemy is the beast within. When despite all effort, you battle to become the Sermon on the mount Christian or "believer" as I like to reference myself and want to be.

When I'm stricken, I strike back. I withhold not only the first, but the second cloak too. I ask/ or need reassurance or motivation for giving anything now. I mourn but do not feel merciful. I prefer peace but not interested in enforcing it though I *think* I make attempts to make it. I am that salt that has lost its saltiness & not good for anything, the light whose shine is dimmed, only I speak of my own good deeds.
So yes, judgement shall begin in the house of God, but am I still that house? My mercy is highly selective and my spiritual house so shaky I struggle to find the Lord in there.
All I have are His (Word)s, line upon line, precept upon precept. Sometimes finding good nuggets but ever so quick to lose them at first sign of provocation.

Yes you are still in that house as long as you call Jesus Lord. But if you don't do what Jesus says, then the salt will lose its flavor and be thrown out with the rest of the flavorless salt.

I'm not sure the idea is to rejoice as you're suffering, but to know that after you have suffered for a little while, you will rejoice. What is “suffering” if not judgment?

Joh 16:20  "I assure you: You will weep and wail, but the world will rejoice. You will become sorrowful, but your sorrow will turn to joy.

The tables will be turned when it's time for the earth to be judged.

Mat 22:11  And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Mat 22:12  And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

Mat 22:13  Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.

The Kingdom of God is made up of the many called and the few chosen. Everyone who calls Jesus Lord is in that Kingdom, but the Kingdom or REIGN of God is not in everyone that calls Jesus Lord.

I think it says a lot that you are at least aware of some of your flaws. That is in part how judgment works. It's meant to make you sorrowful to lead you to repentance. It's meant to break the spirit within you.


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