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Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: Porter on December 13, 2024, 12:46:37 PM ---Dennis, perhaps the ability to recognize when you're being manipulated is the power Jesus is referring to.

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"Next we must understand that demons are FALSE DOCTRINES -- "doctrines of demons" Paul calls them. So anything that would influence us to believe in, follow, or be persuaded by any such things are demons influences."

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I don't have problems with doctrines. I have problems reacting to evil people I see in the news, etc. Sometimes I say to myself "God just kill that evil person" but then I remember Romans 9:21-23:

"Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?"

And 2 Timothy 2:20:
"But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour."

These evil people are just doing what they are here for. And I could have been one of them except for the Grace of God!

Porter:
Will do Dennis.

Dynamo54, I can tell you that most of the tribulation that I have experienced occurred within me. Assuming of course that I am indeed experiencing spiritual tribulation. There are things that indicate that I may be in that tribulation. Granted, I understand correctly what tribulation is and does as described here in Hebrews.

Heb 12:22 Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God (the heavenly Jerusalem), to myriads of angels in festive gathering,
Heb 12:23 to the assembly of the firstborn whose names have been written in heaven, to God who is the judge of all, to the spirits of righteous people made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus (mediator of a new covenant), and to the sprinkled blood, which says better things than the blood of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that you do not reject the One who speaks; for if they did not escape when they rejected Him who warned them on earth, even less will we if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven.
Heb 12:26 His voice shook the earth at that time, but now He has promised, Yet once more I will shake not only the earth but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 Now this expression, "Yet once more," indicates the removal of what can be shaken--that is, created things--so that what is not shaken might remain.
Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us hold on to grace. By it, we may serve God acceptably, with reverence and awe;
Heb 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire.

This Hebrews passage is a call back to the physical tribulation of the Israelites under Moses, found in Deuteronomy 4. This Hebrews passage is also the spiritual reality of the Elect who are enduring spiritual tribulation under Christ. First the physical with Moses, then comes the spiritual with Jesus.

The whole idea with administering tribulation is to remove “what can be shaken, that is, created things”. Spiritually speaking, created things are the idols of our hearts, false gods, false doctrines etc. Pay attention to all the words in Mark 9:25,26, because it's a physical type for how Christ casts out the “demons” that possess our minds and influence our hearts.

Mar 9:25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was rapidly coming together, He rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, "You mute and deaf spirit, I command you: come out of him and never enter him again!"
Mar 9:26 Then it came out, shrieking and convulsing him violently. The boy became like a corpse, so that many said, "He's dead."

And you know what happens when Christ casts out our demons.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out the demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come on you […we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken — Heb 12:28].

Lest we forget how we enter into the Kingdom.

Act_14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

As for the phrase “created things” from Hebrews 12:27 as a reference to those things we worship, it does not stand alone.

Rom 1:25 who changed the truth of God into the lie, and worshiped and served the created thing more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

When we boil it down, we realize we are the created thing that we worship. Ray went into great detail describing this in his papers, so I don't need to explain it here.

I guess the whole point of this is to tell you not to be so concerned with what you can see and feel with your physical senses. Live by faith.

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