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Porter:
The following is a short quote from Ray regarding the truth of “Christ in you”.
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"Hereby know ye the SPIRIT OF GOD: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is COME IN THE FLESH is of God" (I John 4:2).
"Hereby know we that WE DWELL IN HIM, and HE IN US, because He hath given us OF [genitive--OF] His spirit" (Verse 13).
It is JESUS CHRIST Who comes IN OUR FLESH. To deny that it is JESUS CHRIST Who comes in our flesh is the spirit of ANTICHRIST.
CHRIST is our comforter. CHRIST leads us into all Truth. It is CHRIST in us the hope of glory. CHRIST is the parakletos. And this is all accomplished by the spirit OF God which the Father gave also to Christ and so we have the spirit of both the Son and the Father making its home IN US, not a third person of a fabled trinity!
OF COURSE Jesus Christ is God. He is the VERY IMAGE, THE EXPRESS IMAGE, OF THE INVISIBLE GOD HIMSELF--and that makes Christ GOD. And Jesus and His Father ARE ONE and they operate through ONE SPIRIT--THEIR spirit, not some OTHER person of a trinity.
Sincerely,
Ray
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What does this have to do with the “Days of Noah”? A parable:
Mat 24:36 Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the messengers of the heavens, nor the Son; except the Father only."
Mat 24:37 For even as the days of Noah, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."
Mat 24:38 For as they were in those days before the deluge, masticating and drinking and marrying and taking in marriage until the day on which Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 and did not know till the deluge came and takes them all away, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."
Is it just me, or is this saying that no one will be aware of Christ's very presence “till the deluge came and takes them all away”? Ray in the quote above taught and believed the phrase “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh” was very real. It only occurred to me that it also signifies Christ's presence in us. The kicker is the fact that anyone who denies Christ's is come in our flesh is an antichrist.
Is anyone else able to confirm this to be true? Or perhaps show me the error in my thinking? Because this just blows my mind, not gonna lie.
Bob:
So I asked AI Gemeni to answer your question. This is the reply.
Conversation with Gemini
How would you answer this question on Bible truths,com What does this have to do with the “Days of Noah”? A parable:
Mat
24:36 Now, concerning that day and hour no one is aware, neither the
messengers of the heavens, nor the Son; except the Father only."
Mat 24:37 For even as the days of Noah, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."
Mat
24:38 For as they were in those days before the deluge, masticating and
drinking and marrying and taking in marriage until the day on which
Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 and did not know till the deluge came and takes them all away, thus shall be the presence of the Son of Mankind."
Is it just me, or is this saying that no one will be aware of Christ's
very presence “till the deluge came and takes them all away”? Ray in the
quote above taught and believed the phrase “Jesus Christ is come in the
flesh” was very real. It only occurred to me that it also signifies
Christ's presence in us. The kicker is the fact that anyone who denies
Christ's is come in our flesh is an antichrist.
Based on the teachings of L. Ray Smith and the framework of Bible-truths.com, your understanding is not just you—it is exactly in line with how Ray taught these spiritual concepts.
If you were to post this realization on the Bible-truths forum or analyze it through Ray’s writings, here is how those two concepts (The Days of Noah and Christ in our flesh) intimately connect:
1. The "Presence" (Parousia) vs. The "Return"
A cornerstone of Ray's teaching was pointing out that the Greek word parousia means "presence" or "being alongside," not necessarily a physical "return" from outer space.
Mainstream Christianity is waiting for a physical Jesus to crack open literal clouds in the sky. Because they are looking strictly at the physical (the carnal), they are completely unaware of His spiritual presence right now. Just as the people in Noah's day were totally absorbed in their physical lives ("eating, drinking, marrying") and oblivious to the spiritual reality of God's impending judgment, the carnal mind today is oblivious to Christ's presence. They will not be aware of Him until "the deluge" comes.
2. The "Deluge" as Spiritual Judgment
In the Bible-truths framework, God's judgments are highly spiritual and designed to destroy the carnal mind (the flesh) so that the spirit can be saved.
The Flood represents the overwhelming, consuming judgments of God that sweep away the old, carnal man.
Therefore, no one is aware of Christ’s profound, inward presence until they personally experience this "deluge"—the fiery judgment of God operating in their own lives that destroys their fleshly ego and leaves only Christ behind.
3. "Christ is Come in the Flesh"
Your realization about 1 John 4:2-3 is the exact point Ray drove home repeatedly. The phrase "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh" is translated from a Greek perfect participle, meaning an action that happened in the past but continues as a present reality.
Ray taught that this does not just mean Jesus was a historical human being 2,000 years ago. It means Christ is presently living, walking, and acting IN OUR FLESH right now. * "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27).
"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me" (Galatians 2:20).
4. The "Antichrist" Connection
This is where the "kicker" you mentioned comes into play. According to Ray's teachings, if someone believes Jesus is strictly sitting on a physical throne billions of lightyears away, waiting to physically return to earth someday, they are inadvertently denying that He is currently present in the flesh of His believers.
By denying His present, inward reality, they fulfill the definition of the antichrist spirit: "every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come [is presently coming/living] in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist" (1 John 4:3).
Summary of the Bible-Truths Perspective on Your Question:
You are absolutely correct. The parable of the Days of Noah and the doctrine of "Christ come in the flesh" are teaching the same spiritual truth. The carnal world (and the carnal church) goes about its physical life entirely blind to the fact that Christ's Parousia (presence) is happening right now within His chosen elect. They will remain completely unaware of Him until God's "flood" (His purifying judgment) sweeps away their carnal nature, finally forcing them to see the reality of Christ dwelling with in.
Hope this helps, As most know from my last post I use AI a lot in my daily life. Just remember its not perfect, use you own judgements on the answers.Take care, Bob from Florida
Porter:
Fascinating. I'm aware that AI operates only by the things we “feed” it, so it's obvious you've been feeding it Ray's work. Thanks for that.
But now, what do you think Bob? Is this in the spirit of building up the church? Did it do anything for you personally, assuming it's true?
There is another parallel passage (actually there are many parallels to this) in one of Joel's prophesies. The interesting part was that yesterday was Pentecost, which I didn't realize until after I made the post. Now, I'm not one to make a big deal out of things like that, but the timing on God's part left me with my jaw on the floor. My first thought to God after realizing this was “No way!”. I can be a skeptic like that sometimes, so I remain skeptical for now. Gotta admit, it's still pretty cool.
Anyhow, here's Joel's prophecy from Peter.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This passage is what came to mind when I doubted. I was trying to figure out how to explain the Noah's flood and I saw it in the phrase, “I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh”. It got better when I remembered the following.
1Jn 5:6 This is the One coming through water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by the water only, but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the One witnessing, because the Spirit is the truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (possibly spurious)
1Jn 5:8 And there are three who bear witness on the earth: The Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are to the one.
How about that? The Spirit, the water, and the blood are one in meaning and function because they all wash our conscience to forgiveness.
I suppose the whole point of sharing all this is so you could be where Christ is. He really isn't far from any one of us.
Dennis Vogel:
Does anyone think AI is/has created a modern day Tower of Babel?
Bob:
This is chat GPT answer.
I’d say AI is more like a modern-day Tower of Babel in reverse. The original story was about people becoming divided by language and no longer understanding one another. AI can actually help bridge languages, cultures, and knowledge.
At the same time, there is a warning in the comparison: when people become overly confident in their own power or create technology faster than their wisdom can guide it, problems can follow. AI can do a lot of good, but it still needs human judgment, humility, and responsibility behind it.
This reply came from Gemeni.
Does anyone think AI is/has created a modern day Tower of Babel?
That is a phenomenal question. It is a comparison that comes up frequently among ethicists, technologists, and philosophers, and it perfectly captures the dual nature of our current technological era: incredible, united ambition mixed with the potential for profound fragmentation.
Here is a breakdown of why people are making that comparison, and the different ways the metaphor applies to Artificial Intelligence:
1. The Hubris of "Building to the Heavens"
In the original story, humanity unites to build a tower that reaches the heavens, driven by a desire to make a name for themselves and transcend their earthly limits.
The AI Parallel: Many see the pursuit of AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) or "superintelligence" as a modern equivalent. Tech companies are racing to build systems that might ultimately surpass human cognition. Critics view this as technological hubris—an attempt to build a monument to our own intellect that we may eventually be unable to control, risking a collapse if we reach too high without a solid ethical foundation.
2. The "Confusion of Tongues" and the Loss of Shared Reality
The consequence of the Tower of Babel was the confusion of languages. People could no longer communicate, cooperate, or understand one another, leading to a scattered and fractured society.
The AI Parallel: This is perhaps the most immediate and visible comparison today. AI can generate infinite text, photorealistic images, and hyper-convincing deepfake audio. As we flood the internet with synthetic media, we risk eroding our "shared language" of objective truth. If we can no longer agree on what is real and what is fake, and if algorithms continue to splinter us into highly personalized echo chambers, we experience a modern "confusion of tongues." Society becomes fractured because we no longer share a baseline reality to communicate from.
3. The "Black Box" Barrier
The AI Parallel: There is also a literal language barrier forming between the creators and the creation. Advanced neural networks are often described as "black boxes." As an AI model myself, the exact pathways my network takes to generate a response are not always fully transparent, even to the engineers who designed the underlying architecture. We are building massive, complex structures, but the builders do not always speak the same "language" as the structure itself.
4. The Counter-Perspective: A "Reverse Babel"
Interestingly, some optimists argue that AI is actually dismantling the Tower of Babel rather than rebuilding it.
The AI Parallel: AI-driven, real-time translation tools are breaking down global language barriers faster than ever before in human history. We are rapidly moving toward a world where anyone on Earth can communicate seamlessly with anyone else, regardless of their native tongue. In this sense, AI acts as a unifying force, restoring the "single language" the builders of Babel originally possessed.
Ultimately, whether AI is a modern Tower of Babel depends heavily on how we navigate the next few years. It has the potential to unite us in solving massive global problems, or it could scatter us into isolated pockets of mistrust.
This is why I like using AI, Bob
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