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Before Eve took a bite
hillsbororiver:
Ray pointed out the similarity of these 2 scriptures and shows the "original sin" actually had spiritual sins committed before it was consumated by the actual act of eating the fruit. Isn't this how sin works in our own lives as well?
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Look at the sequence of events, the thought process before the act and compare it with the verse below;
1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh (saw the tree was good for food) , and the lust of the eyes (pleasant to the eyes) and the pride of life (to make one wise) , is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Here is more from James;
Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust and enticed.
Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jam 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of lights with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
His Peace to all,
Joe
chuckusa:
Joe,
So thats really all you need, to explain how the lusts that we feel, are really the same as the physical acts of sin... that they are really one in the same and can't be seperated.
Why were we called to this higher standard after the new covenant? I'm not sure how to explain that to someone.
Thanks Joe,
Chuck
hillsbororiver:
Hi Chuck,
That could be a tough sell, explaining this to someone who may not have ears to hear.
The Law, the commandments written in stone (plus the Mosaic Law) were physical, even carnal;
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
The keeping of the physical law is a death sentence, a sure ticket to the Lake Of Fire, remember the Lord's mission is, was, will be the gathering of His elect, the firstfruits, this can only be done through His Spirit. The carnal man might possibly make it without breaking physical laws, but no man can be true to the New Covenant, the Spiritual Law without Christ in Him. Jesus was always speaking to His chosen, first the apostles, then all the elect through the generations until His return.
Here is what He says;
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
This is only possible through Him,
Joe
Beloved:
Hi Chuck and Joe
Being human this topic is easier to talk about then to actually live through sometimes.
For the beast within us there are three things in this vast world, and only three — the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life; briefly summarized they are : Appetite, Avarice, and Ambition.
It is a forgone conclusion that All of the inventions, creations, and contrivances of man are in existence today to cater to these Three things.
Everybody has desires of one kind or another, and that really can be quite natural. These desires are not always evil. But when we confront evil we are told to resist it. Dealig with our desires can feel like we are walking on a tightrope. We are often unsteady, unsure and wobbly
Even in the things of the spirit one must be keen to discern betweenyour own desire and the desire of the Spirit. That is where the battle lies, and that is where sin is born. the Desire conceives and breeds sin, while Sin matures and gives birth to death
The sriptures state
(Jam 1:13 KJVR)
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
(Jam 1:14 KJVR)
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
(Jam 1:15 KJVR)
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Every person who is tempted as they are beguiled and allured by their own desires
There is no mention to the state of hunger when Adam and Eve were hanging out by the tree but in direct contrast, after fasting for forty days Jesus truly felt severe hunger pangs and was confronted with the same three temptations that Eve encountered.
It was at the peak of being physically famished that the Tempter came to Him. Jesus however did not drop down from the high and holy thought of God, into the reasoning of the human mind. He did not descend in consciousness from the Son of God, to the sons of men.
The voice cunningly suggested to jesus “You know who you really are turn these stones into bread!" "If you are the Son of God, go ahead and do it! Use your sonship to fill your belly! Use it to satisfy your own needs and desires!"
Jesus quickly discerned that wily Devil and knew how to nip that idea in the bud before it had time to blossom. He got to it before it had time to conceive by entering into union with His will. When desire and will become one, sin is conceived — it makes a baby called sin!
Jesus answered out of the depths of His spirit, "It is written — man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" (Mat. 4:4). A direct quote from the Torah in Deut 8:3
He was able to say to Himself and to Satan — if my Father tells me to turn stones into bread I shall do so. But if the voice is any other than my Father's voice, I must do only those things which I hear from my Father.
It was that union of His will with the Father’s will that ended the temptation! His will in union with His Father's desire conceived and brought forth the baby of Righteousness. When He left the wilderness …He was equipped and ready to complete His mission here on earth.
Every temptation of the Devil comes to us through the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life. There are no others. Not for Adam and Eve, not for Jesus, and not for us. The physical act of sin is always the result of the carnal mind of man.
Beloved
angie:
Hi Beloved
--- Quote --- When desire and will become one, sin is conceived — it makes a baby called sin!
--- End quote ---
Excellent analogy :D Good post
Angie
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