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Before Eve took a bite
angie:
Lightseeker
Hi Dee
--- Quote ---The verses you pointed out reveal the fall of Eve and all that is in the world.
--- End quote ---
Is this the same 'fall' that churchgoing christians refer to when alluding to their teaching of 'Adam and Eve were made perfect' up until then?
Angie
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Lightseeker:
Angie, Bobby
How sad I find it to be, that, in an attempt to add to the apparent joy you've all had concerning the truth Joe shared from Ray, that you've both made it an attempt to discredit my post because of a lack of understanding.
No Angie, I'm not talking about the churchianity belief of a "fall from perfection". And no Bobby I'm not talking about "falling from a tree." In reading scripture and Rays teaching let me share with you what Ray knows that you apparently don't.
--- Quote ---And so it was GOD, and none other than GOD, Who intended from the beginning that Satan and man SIN! That does not make God a sinner, for a sin is a "mistake," a "missing of the mark," a "falling short of the glory of God," and God has NEVER MADE A MISTAKE OR FALLEN SHORT OF TOTAL PERFECTION! God knew what He was doing and how things would turn out BEFORE He created ANYTHING!
--- End quote ---
ROM 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
There was a fall in the Garden and it was a falling short of the glory of God according to Ray. So if you all have a problem with that ONE single word perhaps you should reconsider and reread Rays article. I thought it had more to do with the responsiblity of God for making us the way we were so we would end up sinning. A concept I've believed for 25 years. I hope this post helps clear up any misunderstanding.
Kat:
Dee,
You have to understand that most people when they hear someone refer to a 'fall',
that involves Eve in the garden,
they will think you are referring to the popular teaching of the church.
We are here seeking to understand the Truth,
we should not be bothered by a brother or sister's help,
to make something clear.
We need to seek to be in agreement here.
Amo 3:3 Can two walk together unless they are agreed?
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
angie:
Dee,
I HAVE read that article of Ray's but quite honestly I saw no correlation between that and the statement you made. You specifically said Eve and nothing at all about the glory of God. As far as discrediting your post goes, I simply asked the question because of the way it was worded, which sounded almost exactly to what a churchgoing christian friend of mine says all the time.
I don't think I have a 'problem' with any single word and don't understand why you should get so defensive about a question. Is that not what a forum is all about? You say you have held a concept for 25 years. I have held my beliefs for about 10 months. I have HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of questions that hopefully I will get at least some of answered. Im sure I'm not alone here in that respect.
I believe we are all here to learn, to pass on what we know, and yes, to also stand corrected when we err, knowing that it is done in love and faith. I hope you believe this also.
Peace and blessings bother
Angie
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Lightseeker:
Bobby, Kat, Angie,
Thank you all for your understanding. I must admit your responses not only pleased me, but admittedly surprized me.
Bobby, I don't have these things down well enough to post a link. It always amazes me when you guys do. As I've said before, most of the teachings I've read here aren't new to me. I started studying them before computers, and have reprinted books, phamplets and monthly newsletters from authors writing a hundred years ago concerning these subjects. The www has truly made it easy for you guys to quickly go through, what was a long learning curve for me. And I admit I still hold a lot of teaching from all of those authors who didn't totally agree with each other or with Ray today. I'm a mixed bag and understand that, but I've tried to remain faithful to the 'rules of the forum'.
I've enjoyed being here, but maybe I do see things too differently from Ray's pupils. I've often thought if Ray and I were sitting accross the table we would get along better than I have here.
Anyway thanks again for the posts.
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