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kennymac:
Hello,
I guess I did not present my question correctly. I think that if we were able to remove all the evil in the world good will still exist.
However, if we were able to remove all the good in the world evil, could not exist.
I am not questioning the origin of evil, the bible clearly tells me that answer.
"Murder" In it's most horrific state is present in situations where, there is no motive for murder. But the motive is still clear. The individual committing this evil act of murder derived some type of pleasure from this act.
Can you give me an example of evil that is not an attempt to receive something good or some type of pleasure. This is my question.
I have tried to give an example of evil without good. I can not. I would prefer to believe that God did not create evil just to give us a contrast. I would prefer to believe that in order to have good, evil would HAVE to exist, and it is created by carnal man's attempt at happiness. Take a look around at the condition of the world it is man's attempt at finding happiness apart from his creator.
Again, If anyone can present a situation where evil can be explained without bringing good into it I would like to know of that example.
Grace and Peace,
Mary Ann
hillsbororiver:
MaryAnn,
I guess it depends on your definition of "good," seeking selfish pleasures is not something that I would consider good. John Wayne Gacy sought pleasure raping and murdering boys and young men what is the good part or result of that motivation?
If I steal the life savings of my Grandmother to buy drugs for me and my friends I am seeking pleasure but what is good about it?
If I kill the man who bumps into me it satisfies a beastly, carnal urge, again where is the good part of that equation?
Good is when everyone benefits, evil is when you only care about yourself and the hell with anyone and everyone else.
Good is putting others first, serving your fellow man, evil is worshipping the beast within.
God's will is good, man's carnal (pleasure seeking, selfish) nature is bad.
Self pleasure does not equal good, that is our lesson in this life.
First we must agree on the definition of good. Jesus says only God is good, that is the one I must go with.
His Peace to you,
Joe
chuckusa:
Hi Mary Ann,
If all evil was removed from the world, I agree that "good" would still exist. But of course that is my carnal understanding.
Now if all good was removed, whould there still be evil?
I think that it would still exist, simply because it is a creation. It is of God, not man. Man can only harbour evil, but does not create it. The scriptures speak of the power of evil, and warns of directly confronting it. We are to flee from evil, resist evil. Therefore it is a singular entity seperate from man or the will of man. When I sin, I do not desire evil, I simply fail to do the will of God, because I too am a creation, not of myself. This act of disobedience allows evil to work within me.
I think I understand your statement about contrast. I suppose the other pespective on contrast would be that God is evolving us towards good (organized) and evil is attempting to disorganize, such is the natute of the physical world (entropy) and is that which satan was commanded to consume (us). The breaking away from the physical, proves the superior motives of God, as compared to evil, insomuch as we are concerned.
Evil exists on the same plane as the physical, falling away towards disorganization. It is the nature of the physical world and must be under control of a creation with a similar propensity, which is evil. Its existence (evil) is a natural component of the natural physical world and in itself, in this plane, causes no real good for anything, and could exist apart from good. Evil will exist as long as the physical world exists because they are one and the same essentially. It may exist in itself, without any people, or need for good.
It is simply used by God for good. Its existence in itself, is apart from good.
Does that even come close to what you are seeking, or have I just been watching too many Star Trek episodes?
Perhaps someone with a clearer mind can make sense out of that because I read it again and...... ??? ( I mean MY response)
Mary Ann its a great question to me...I wish I could explain what I mean better. Anyway, thats how I understand it, perhaps in time I will be able to write coherent sentences.
God bless,
Chuck
ned:
--- Quote from: kennymac on September 05, 2006, 04:15:30 PM ---
Again, If anyone can present a situation where evil can be explained without bringing good into it I would like to know of that example.
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Hi Mary Ann
An example. What about a car accident that kills a mother and two of her three children?
ned:
--- Quote from: kennymac on September 05, 2006, 04:15:30 PM ---
Can you give me an example of evil that is not an attempt to receive something good or some type of pleasure. This is my question.
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I don't think evil needs an 'attempt' to receive something good.
..evil doesn't need human desire... evil is an invisible power.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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