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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: kennymac on September 06, 2006, 05:05:53 PM ---
God is purifying this world of evil. When He is finished we are told there will only be love (good). God creator of love and goodness will restore this world to it's original creation pure love and goodness (no evil).
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Where are we told this?
If God is restoring this world "to it's original creation pure love and goodness (no evil)" Then why is He also going to create a new heaven and earth, why is the former never to be remembered or come to mind?
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
His Peace and Wisdom to all of you,
Joe
Kat:
Hi Mary Ann,
God planted a garden eastward in Eden, then He formed a man, Adam and put him in it.
Gen 2:15 And Jehovah God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
How long did he work and keep the garden?
Then he was told to name all the animals and birds, no small feat.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field. But there was not found a suitable helper for Adam.
All this was done before Eve was created.
Ray mentioned this at the conference, this could have taken years.
As to what Adam knew, the Bible does not say.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of both of them were opened. And they knew that they were naked.
Knowing they were naked, is knowing they had sinned against what God told them they were not to do.
Lam 1:8 Jerusalem has grievously sinned, therefore she has been removed. All knowing her despise her because they saw her nakedness; yea, she sighs and turns backward.
Well, this just opens up more questions.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
angie:
Hiya all,
Can I ask if maybe we are not starting to get a little bit bogged down in the physical? The reason I ask this is because some of the previous questions seem to be concerned with things that are not in scripture which are open to conjecture and seem to be mostly concerned with the physical.
I think we must study diligently, but in a more spiritual frame of mind. Does everyone agree that even although literally true, these words are to be interpreted spiritually and that everything physical is a foreshadow of the spiritual things that are, was and will be? and to deliver a spiritual meaning to teach us the truth?
I think also that sometimes we are given small, seemingly extraneous information, but we know that everything is there for a reason and also that it is not until elsewhere in scripture we come to find out the SPIRITUAL significance of it.
On that note, I would like to put it all down here[in laymans term to see if my understanding is correct]
I appreciate and welcome any corrections on anywhere my thought process might have gone a bit askew, or wrong terminology used where I hadn't intended it since I value everyones input
What I get so far, is that Adam loved Eve soooo much that what ever fate she was going to have, then he was going to go through it too to be with her. He was never going to forsake her but leave with her to keep her safe with him.
I don't actually believe that Adam and Eve are the real point of this story though, in a literal way in what first apperars to be a literal, physical story. When we are told anything in the bible, We are not to match the physical with physical, but spiritual with spiritual.
I think we really need to look beyond adam and eve in the physical, to see what it is they represent by way of a spiritual message. We must always always remember that everything physical is a foreshadow and is like the spiritual. [in some ways]
Adam represents Jesus, Eve represents the Church [and also the mother of all humanity], The spiritual message is that even though she [the church and humanity] has sinned greatly, Jesus loves her and will never forsake her. He will die for her, He will sacrifice HIMSELF to God to atone for the sins, just as adam sacrificed his life by doing what he had to, to leave God's garden [heaven?] to be wiith eve.[the church and humanity]
If you think back, God talked with Adam about not eating from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He would have passed that message on to Eve when she was then made. [conclusion from thread...in the beginning] He was the mediator between her and God, just as Jesus is the mediator still between God and humanity. She didn't accept the word of God as the truth when confronted by the lies of satan, she believed satan, just as the church of the day in Jesus's time did, and they murdered him.[has anything really changed even now, I ask myself]
In scripture, we are told that Jesus is perfect, not marred like the first adam, who DID sin. Jesus never did. He never strayed from the word of God and was not deceived when He was led into the wilderness to be tempted by Satan. He was made perfect as an example for US. It's ALL for us, OUR benefit, but first we must 'see' the real message, find the 'hidden treasure' .
As far as satan is concerned, I think he already knew what he was created for and that was the destuction of the flesh and that we are simply told details in genesis 3:14, not as a signal that this is time to 'get started' doing what he was designed for since he already HAD by deceiving eve. It was to tell us that if we stray from the word of God, Satan will have us for lunch
I hope all this came out right :-\ sometimes it is difficult to put into words exactly what it is you understand. I do know that in the final analysis, all scripture should be quoted to demonstrate why you believe a certain thing, sorry guys, I am sooo pushed for time. Anybody want to jump in with a few go right ahead. I just was always taught that when you could put something down using you own expressions, in plain, everyday language, it was then that you could show what your real understanding was of what was taught you. I'm not wanting anyone to think I'm changing or adding to or taking away from the original.
Angie
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angie:
P.S
another thought..., I know my previous post might make my understanding seem a bit 'condensed' but;
Are we not supposed to pay heed to 'The sum' of God's words? Does that mean the end result, conclusion, understanding, despite how many 'bits' are in the original equation? :-\
Reeeeeaaaally need to dash now!
Angie
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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: angie on September 07, 2006, 09:03:14 AM ---
What I get so far, is that Adam loved Eve soooo much that what ever fate she was going to have, then he was going to go through it too to be with her. He was never going to forsake her but leave with her to keep her safe with him.
You nailed it sister!
Adam represents Jesus, Eve represents the Church [and also the mother of all humanity], The spiritual message is that even though she [the church and humanity] has sinned greatly, Jesus loves her and will never forsake her. He will die for her, He will sacrifice HIMSELF to God to atone for the sins, just as adam sacrificed his life by doing what he had to, to leave God's garden [heaven?] to be wiith eve.[the church and humanity]
Another home run
As far as satan is concerned, I think he already knew what he was created for and that was the destuction of the flesh and that we are simply told details in genesis 3:14, not as a signal that this is time to 'get started' doing what he was designed for since he already HAD by deceiving eve. It was to tell us that if we stray from the word of God, Satan will have us for lunch
Just as a lion looks for the lamb that strays from the Shepherd and the flock, the devil seeks to consume those who wander away from His Word.
Angie
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Good morning Angie,
Great observations!
Joe
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