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kennymac:
Hello All,

I would really appreciate your insight on this.

The fruit is that God is Love and God created good and very good. Evil is an outcome of man's carnal nature. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life  was alreadey in man, that is why he ate of the forbidden fruit. At that time man was exposed to evil. Prior to  this act of rebellion man new not evil. Is that correct? Then God said they have become like us knowing both good and evil.  God is purifying this world of evil. When He is finished we are told there will only be love (good).   God creator of love and goodness will restore this world to it's original creation pure love and goodness (no evil).  Goodness can and will exist without evil is not that what the scriptures teach?

Peace and Grace to all,

Mary Ann

chuckusa:
Hello,

In Genesis 3:14 "...upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life." KJ

Is this the beginning of satans reign here on earth, with this command? This being after the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil was eaten, what power did he have up until this time. Was this proof that the world WAS without evil, until this moment.

I was under the conclusion that the world was created with evil already a component, and that the knowledge of good and evil was put in place to set up the process of being created in Gods image.

Can someone comment, I am getting confused about this point the more I read, I thought I already understood all this... :)

Thanks,
Chuck

angie:
Hi Chuck,

7431
רמשׂ
remeś
reh'-mes
From H7430; a reptile or any other rapidly moving animal: - that creepeth, creeping (moving) thing. [OR Snake, Serpent

Gen 1:24   And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 

The serpent was made before Adam and Eve

Gen 2:8  And the LORD God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Gen 3:1 "Now the SERPENT was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had MADE..."

H6175
ערוּם
‛ârûm
aw-room'
Passive participle of H6191; cunning (usually in a bad sense): - crafty, prudent, subtil.

We know that the serpent is Satan, and that:

I John 3:8  "He that commits sin is of the DEVIL [Gk: Adversary, Satan] for the Devil SINS FROM THE BEGINNING.

If you notice, God made Adam outside of the garden, then placed him there afterwards. This was God's garden, yet satan was ALREADY THERE. Why would God even have made him, [far less put him in his own private garden] if not to do that for which he was created?

Cor.15:4-5 "...To deliver such an one UNTO SATAN for DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" 

Why would God want the destruction of the flesh of 'such an one' [human race beginning with adam and eve] what was wrong with it?

Rom 8:20  "For the creature [creation/humanity] was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,"

We were made [deliberately marred] so that we would be weak in the face of the  lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life. If we were not, Satan would not have been able to deceive Eve the way he did. If he hadn't been able to, she would not have desired to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Satan lied before Eve ever looked at the tree and desired the knowledge that came from the actual eating of the fruit.
In Genesis 3:14 "...upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life."  I think this verse is telling us that eating the dust [dirt/earth/MAN] is what Satan's purpose is. He destroying the flesh by having us for lunch, devouring the flesh, sifting us like wheat, separating the wheat from the chaff etc.

Hope that helps and not add to your  confusion Chuck

Angie
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kennymac:
Chuck,

Thanks, for that information and I do agree with it totally. I guess what I am searching for now is what did Adam know before he sinned. Once he sinned we know that he did know both good and evil. What would we say he knew before he sinned.

Thanks for sharing.

Mary Ann

chuckusa:
Hi Angie,

Yes, that helps. One thing I was wondering about, (and which is why I quoted Gen. 3:14) is this: Was this statement  giving satan the authority to devour man. Or in other words was this his go ahead to do this. It just hit me the other night that perhaps this is what this statement was, giving satan his orders, and that before this he was limited to lesser powers. Does that make sense? I assumed, I hope correctly, that he was refering to man when he used the word dust, and your opinion is as such also.

I know it seems trivial, but I am curious about this.

Thanks for taking the time to lay that out for me sister

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