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hillsbororiver:
Another point Ray made at the Conference (also on the audio) is the difference between the conventional term "born again" to the more accurate "conceived again," for the sake of discussion I would like to pose the question, does this make a significant difference in how we should view this process we are experiencing?

Can you see us as really just in the embryonic stage of our spiritual development and that once we are resurrected that is when we are truly born again? Our spiritual seed is sown in the flesh but after we die and are resurrected we are truly 100% born (again) in spirit? We are no longer influenced or tainted by our carnal flesh or nature, the immortal incorrutable spiritual body begins to grow.


Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born1080 again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

G1080
γεννάω
gennaō
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: - bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

Paraphrasing, this verse would read " Except a man be conceived again (in the spirit) he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Any thoughts?

Joe

Chris R:
Hi Joe, 


  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again  Jhn 3:6-7


I see the same thing written as you have mentioned in John 3...as with any regeneration, it takes time to complete the process, As God wills.

Peace

Chris R

Harryfeat:
Hello Joe,

I share your view of the journey.

I can't get too fired up about the term conceived.  It has close association or alternative meaning of being ideated.  Since our existence as human flesh and subsequently as spirit  has already been preconceived by the Almighty, it seems that the idea or concept of us being conceived again by Him is inaccurate or merely just more confusing.

I like the term reborn but think that being regenerated or even re formed seems the more accurate of all terms to me.   

I hope this was at least part of what you were asking.  I obviously missed the deeper meaning of your question.

feat

hillsbororiver:
Hello feat,

How have you been? I haven't seen you in a while, I hope all is well with you and yours.

Ray made some very compelling points on this subject (you can hear it on the audio Dennis provided) but I will write some of it here with the notes he provided at the Conference;





                                       BEGOTTEN OR BORN ANEW FROM ON HIGH


Was Jesus gennao in Nazereth, and gennao in Bethlehem also? Is this a contradiction of the Scriptures?

Christ was CONCEIVED (#1080 gennao - regenerate, beget, conceive, be born) in Nazareth (Luke 1:26-31).

But Christ was BORN (#1080 gennao - regenerate, beget, conceive, be born) in Bethlehem (Matt. 2:1).

Notice that Jesus was "conceived" before He was born: Isn't that the normal way it is done? Were not you and every human on earth "conceived" before they were actually "born?" Yes, of course they were. So how is it then that we go straight to being "born again" before we are "conceived anew from on high?"

Notice too that those who are "born again" are invisible "like the wind" (John 3:3....) Surely there are no Christians alive today who are invisible like the wind are there? I know of no Version that has these verses correct, 1 Peter 1:23 is likewise speaking of a spiritual "conception" or "begettal" (from seed) rather than an actual birth. He that is born of the Spirit IS SPIRIT!


L. Ray Smith (Mobile Conference Saturday 9/2/06)






I hope that helped in understanding this point.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe

ned:
The term "born again", or more actual; "conceived from above" to me is perfect!

Just like babies at conception did not have a choice to be conceived, so it is with God's chosen. He draws us to Him, not by our own free will, but by His.

Also, John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth, so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

When you are born conceived of the spirit, you cannot give yourself credit and know how you got there, only by God's will are you chosen, not of yourself, as though you could boast.

Excellent topic Joe.
Thanks,
Marie

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