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Beloved:
Very interesting post   It seem this little word 'volunteer' is becoming a semantic stumbling block.  Since the actual word "volunteer" is not in the scriptures I am not overly concerned about it's meaning.

In the beginning was The Word.

God's plan was for Jesus to save the world. .....Jesus died on the cross. 

God "volunteered" Jesus in the beginning ......and .....right up to the crucifiction.

Since God is Totally Sovereign ...His Will ...will always be accomplished.

Jesus layed 'his physical life" way before the crucifixition....since He always did His Fathers Will

Please forgive me if my explanantoion appears to be too simplistiic

Beloved

chuckt:
greetings all.

what a wonderful Saviour!!!

i love this verse:

9 Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
10 For if, being enemies, we were conciliated to God through the death of His Son, much rather, being conciliated, we shall be saved in His life.
11 Yet not only so, but we are glorying also in God, through our Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom we now obtained the conciliation.


 good thread.
 love
 chuckt

Kat:
Hi Brett,

The Father had determined from the beginning the Son would die.
When Jesus was on earth, no one had power over Him, He was not forced to go to the cross when He did,
until the time came and he volunteered to let them to take Him.

Joh 7:30  Then they sought to seize Him, but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

Joh 10:39  Then they again sought to seize Him, but He went forth out of their hand.

Joh 19:11  Jesus answered, You could have no authority against Me unless it were given to you from above.

Was it absolutely necessary that it be the cross. The cross was the most painful, lingering manner of death then known to man.
He said "I have authority to lay it down," His death was the sin offering, but the suffering was so He could experience what we do. Because He loved us that much, He was willing to go through this degree of suffering for us.

That's the way I see it.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

buddyjc:
Here is a question.  Did Jesus Christ while on this earth have 'free will?'  You said that God and Christ planned it from the beginning and this means Christ knew he would have to do it.  Yes, Christ did 'volunteer' to do it, but He volunteered to do it because there was NO OTHER WAY to redeem mankind. 

Heb 9:22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. 

Christ did it because He was the only one who could do it.  Yes, He loved us and gave His life for us, but there was no free choice here.  It was in the plan of God, and therefore He did 'have' to go to the cross. 

Brian

orion77:
Jesus was our perfect example.  He came not to do His will, but the Fathers.  Jesus had a will, but it was not free, just as ours, because the Father is behind the circumstances.  The Christ chose to do the Fathers will, because of the Father.

I think by reading of the mission of Jesus, the things He said and did, portrays perfectly the soverignity of our Father.  Jesus had the right to lay down His life and to take it up again, only through a commandment of the Father.  He did not have that power in and of Himself, but only through the Fathers will.

Anything, everything and everybody since the dawn of time have progressed directly by the will of the Father.  He is completely soverign.  If we say Jesus volunteered or did not, it does not matter, because the end result is under the Fathers will.

That time He spent in the garden before suffering, speaks loudly of the soverignity of God.  The whole idea of freewill was crushed right then and there, through the words of Jesus.

God bless,

Gary

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