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Love your enemies
hillsbororiver:
Ok,
Don't see anything but confusion but if anyone can clue me in it will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance,
Joe
Laren:
sorry Joe for my inability to tie this in very well. When we go back to the orgininal post of "will satan be reconciled"; for me it's seems he won't as the law is destroyed through Christ, and I see a relationship between law and the power of satan. Law destroyed, satan destroyed/powerless. Interesting to me that satan never showed up in the garden until after the command of don't eat was given. He feeds on the carnal mind.
In Christ, our carnal mind is destroyed so we may receive the mind of Christ. To me our carnal mind is not reconciled but destroyed.
I see the same with satan, destroyed but not reconciled.
Again, sorry for the confusion; i probably shouldn't post if i can't express well what i'm trying to say.
YellowStone:
Lauren, are you saying that your carnal mind is /as been destroyed?
If this is so, then are you free of sin? If the answer is no, as it must be, then how then can Satan and your carnal mind be destroyed?
Did not Christ come to fullfill the law, not to destroy it. Are the Ten Commandments irrelevant? Of course not, but more is required than the "then" law.
I just want to make a comment on your inclusion of 1Jo 3:6.
1Jo 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Please follow me through the following words of Paul.
Act 13:9-10
Then Saul, (who also [is called] Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season.
Act 19:6
And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Here we are told that Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit (Ghost) and that the hand of the Lord fell upon him. Would anyone say that the words of Paul were not inspired, would anyone then say that Paul did not KNOW Christ. I certainly would not. But was Paul free of sin? Not according to the next passage of Scripture.
Rom 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do
"The evil which I would not, that I do" would this mean that Paul sinned even though he knew Christ. Of course it does not state that Paul sinned, but can you name an evil action that was not a sin?
Lauren, Jesus died for our sins, so that we need not. That does not mean that he destroyed sin, for unfortunately we are still inperfect humans, some with more carnal minds than others, but each according to God's will.
So then:
1Jo 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Can only mean "known" Christ in the perfect spiritual sense, something no one on Earth today is capable of.
Just my two cents worth,
Much love to you,
Darren
Laren:
Thanks Daren for the reply, I'll make this my last post re: this topic, as it is easy for me to fall into the mode of trying to prove a point rather than to keep studying, praying and trusting the Holy Spirit to open my eyes further. If what I've posted is way off base, ignore it.
Last verse for me re: this topic inr regards to I John 3 verse:
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Laren on September 16, 2006, 09:42:08 PM ---sorry Joe for my inability to tie this in very well. When we go back to the orgininal post of "will satan be reconciled"; for me it's seems he won't as the law is destroyed through Christ, and I see a relationship between law and the power of satan. Law destroyed, satan destroyed/powerless. Interesting to me that satan never showed up in the garden until after the command of don't eat was given. He feeds on the carnal mind.
In Christ, our carnal mind is destroyed so we may receive the mind of Christ. To me our carnal mind is not reconciled but destroyed.
I see the same with satan, destroyed but not reconciled.
Again, sorry for the confusion; i probably shouldn't post if i can't express well what i'm trying to say.
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No problem Laren, I only wanted to understand the point being made.
Thank you,
Joe
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