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eutychus

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« on: March 26, 2006, 12:52:38 PM »

from a web site:
I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth;

And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord: who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilot, was crucified, dead, and buried, the third day He rose from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic (universal) Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.




The History of the Apostles Creed

Tradition has it that the Apostles Creed was actually written by the original Disciples. These same Disciples authored the Four Gospels, which are canonized, sacred, and inspired by the Holy Spirit.

It is generally understood that the Apostles met in the Upper Room and wrote the Apostles Creed as a statement of faith that would stand for all time; and as a standard so that once they separated to parts unknown to declare His greatness, thoughtless individuals would not attempt to split them on issues of doctrine.

Well that didn't last four hundred years. The Council of Nicaea (A.D. 325) changed it to what is now known as the Nicene Creed
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shibboleth

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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2006, 02:19:04 PM »

In his book,"What We Believe," cornelius P. Venema writes this about the difference between creeds and confessions: The term "creed," comes from a Latin root and derives historically from the opening words of many of the ancient creds of the church, particularly the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds. These words, "I believe," or "credo," indicate that the following affirmations are a summary of what the individual Christian believes or is convinced of from the Scriptures. On the other hand, the term, "confession," literally means "to say with," that is, to give expression to what Christians believe in common. A confession is a statement of faith, of what the Christian church believes, which believers make in common with other believers. You might say a confession is a "saying the same thing with one heart and voice." Creeds and confessions, accordingly, are summaries of what Christians believe and wish publicaly affirm as the content of their faith.

I have been to many churches that publicaly used creeds and confession, and his trying to divide them into 2 groups is very disturbing. When you say a creed or confession, you are stating you believe these words to be true. It is an individual choice to say them, so the individual needs to believe them.

People who object to creeds and confessions say, "The Bible alone is sufficient." Since we can't improve upon the gospel record in the Bible, why should we be distracted by creeds and confessions? The truth is the objection lies in the recognition the the CREED OR CONFESSION IS ALWAYS SUBORDINATE IN ITS AUTHORITY TO THE BIBLE. Then Cornelius says we say these creeds because THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE BIBLE.
I don't know of any church that has looked closely at the Bible and gotten rid of any part of their creeds or confessions. So much for their being in agreement with the Bible.

The Apostles Creed is Trinitarian in its belief. I have many doubts about the Trinity doctrine and would not be able to say Apolstles Creed because of that. The Babylon Church makes the assumption there is a triune god, and you are not a part of it if you don't believe in it.

The churches who defend these creeds are really sneaky about how they present their truth. They choose their words carefully so you don't realize you're being sucked into their lair. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. Creeds and confessions can look okay on the surface, but their real purpose is to brainwash you into believing what the Babylon church wants you to believe.
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ciy

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2006, 03:23:19 PM »

Any creed is not of Christ.  We need to always keep it simple.  The Council of Nicea was certainly not of God it was of government.  If the creed was important we would have it in some epistle.  

It is written,"use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do:"

It simply is the truth of Christ in you, the hope of glory.
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hillsbororiver

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2006, 03:29:23 PM »

Very well stated Shibboleth and ciy.

It has been and interesting couple of days here, first we have the go straight to heaven thread (do not pass the grave) now the apostle's creed, Hell and purgatory can't be far behind. Light a candle for me.

Joe
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shibboleth

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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2006, 04:15:43 PM »

You know, Joe, I am so glad God put me in a church with creeds, confessions and catechisms. I learned a lot about them and how much of an idol they are. I have yet to hear one church that believes in them, carefully study anything that is against them.
The trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, are just 3 beliefs they won't give up. I still have some questions about the trinity that I haven't found any answers for, so I am still not sure if it's true.

I have a drawer full of what I call "Babylon books." I wouldn't have them if I hadn't been in Babylon, and they are a great resourse for finding out what churches believe, and how God has shown me so many things that are all contradictory to their teachings.

Can I just light any candle for you, Joe, or do I need to get a candle from the church? I thought maybe they bless the candles like they do the holy water.
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eutychus

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2006, 05:56:28 PM »

Quote from: hillsbororiver
Very well stated Shibboleth and ciy.

It has been and interesting couple of days here, first we have the go straight to heaven thread (do not pass the grave) now the apostle's creed, Hell and purgatory can't be far behind. Light a candle for me.

Joe



i only posted that as for information, as to when the change was made.



nothing more nothing less!
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hillsbororiver

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2006, 05:57:49 PM »

Quote from: shibboleth
You know, Joe, I am so glad God put me in a church with creeds, confessions and catechisms. I learned a lot about them and how much of an idol they are. I have yet to hear one church that believes in them, carefully study anything that is against them.
The trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, are just 3 beliefs they won't give up. I still have some questions about the trinity that I haven't found any answers for, so I am still not sure if it's true.

I have a drawer full of what I call "Babylon books." I wouldn't have them if I hadn't been in Babylon, and they are a great resourse for finding out what churches believe, and how God has shown me so many things that are all contradictory to their teachings.

Can I just light any candle for you, Joe, or do I need to get a candle from the church? I thought maybe they bless the candles like they do the holy water.



LOL I don't think the candle works unless you put a dollar in the slot first.

Thanks for the thought!

Joe
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shibboleth

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2006, 12:43:53 PM »

I would just like to say there is nothing inherently wrong with the word creed. It simply means belief. It is when the creed is man written with only a few scriptures to slant an opinion in a certain way, that they can be dangerous. The Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed are three major ones from Christiandom. Many churches repeat them weekly. People don't study the scriptures to "show themselves approved" because they are given these creeds and confessions and really believe they have truth. They mainly believe this because of the education most men of the pulpit have. They know Hebrew, Greek, hermanutics, law, prophecy, and many other things.
They know {knowledge puffs up} many things about God, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW GOD :!:
We need to have a firm foundation of why we believe what we believe, but most churches never get past the elementary teachings of the Bible. They deliberately make their parishioners ignorant, blind and foolish.
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