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Why the contention?
hillsbororiver:
I just wanted to add this thought, sometimes people are not aware of what they are proposing. Remember Peter being admonished from our Lord;
Mat 16:23 But he turned and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Peter ultimately was a spiritual giant but at this time he was a tool of the adversary, we are refining His flock when we are admonishishing the brethren with His Word, this is true love. When we tolerate any doctrine and explain it away as "this is where He has him (or her) at this time," we are not helping our brethren in the least. If we were to see a blind man walking into traffic about to be struck by a car I would hope we would be more proactive than to turn the other way and say, "oh well, that is where the Lord wants this blind guy to be right now," He may want YOU to be His conduit!
If someone is sincerely seeking Him they will be led to the Truth, whether it be here or wherever the Lord determines.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
YellowStone:
Yet again wonderful words of instruction Joe :)
Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
The scripture from Peter is awesome, for I hope someday to be asked a question such as this. I feel the love and wisdom through the words of the moderstors, especially of you and Bobby. I feel humbled reading all that you moderators have to say, because there is more than words present.
I don't mean for this to sound airy-fairy :) but I feel you both and many others here have that hope and I know from whence it comes. :)
God has given us eyes to see and ears to hear; the ones who wish to disrupt cannot argue with themselves.
Thank you God and the moderators for such a wonderful place.
Love to you all,
Darren
YellowStone:
A quote from Joe:
Peter ultimately was a spiritual giant but at this time he was a tool of the adversary, we are refining His flock when we are admonishishing the brethren with His Word, this is true love. When we tolerate any doctrine and explain it away as "this is where He has him (or her) at this time," we are not helping our brethren in the least. If we were to see a blind man walking into traffic about to be struck by a car I would hope we would be more proactive than to turn the other way and say, "oh well, that is where the Lord wants this blind guy to be right now," He may want YOU to be His conduit!
If someone is sincerely seeking Him they will be led to the Truth, whether it be here or wherever the Lord determines.[/b]
Well said Joe. I think this falls in with the point I was trying to make last week regarding sin. Perhaps it is not enough to just shake our heads. But this is where the issue becomes very cloudy at least for me. Am I looking at a speck in my brothers I while ignoring the log in my own. (Mat 7:3) But then, should I ignore it or step in and say "don't do that...."
Like I said very cloudy :( Sometimes I think it iis very easy to become to complacent and be that person watching the blind person walk into traffic. Perhaps I am a slow learner, because sometimes I think God has to knock me over the head before I jump.
Am I making any sense ::) Knowing what to say, when to say and to whom is a trick I am still learning.
Thanks Joe for an insiteful post.
Darren
hillsbororiver:
Hi Darren,
You know I have struggled with this too, still do sometimes.
Jesus and Paul (through His Spirit) will say "judge not," and then the question "are we not able to judge the smallest matters?" 1Cor 6:3
1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
I do not think there are inconsistancies here though.
The key, the difference between the gnat vs. the camel or the speck vs. the plank or log is discernment. What is our motivation when we rebuke or admonish a brother? Is it a pathetic attempt to feed our ego, the carnal man, to exult ourselves as somehow being "better" than someone else? God forbid.
We pray for discernment, His wisdom and grace to guide our spirit in such matters.
1Ki 3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
1Ki 3:10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
1Ki 3:11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
We must not be timid in declaring the truths that have been revealed to us, especially when asked or when someone is preaching or teaching manmade doctrine in our midst.
Eze 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
I hope this helps some,
Joe
ned:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on September 28, 2006, 05:39:03 PM ---
The key, the difference between the gnat vs. the camel or the speck vs. the plank or log is discernment. What is our motivation when we rebuke or admonish a brother? Is it a pathetic attempt to feed our ego, the carnal man, to exult ourselves as somehow being "better" than someone else? God forbid.
We pray for discernment, His wisdom and grace to guide our spirit in such matters.[/color]
1Ki 3:9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?
1Ki 3:10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.
1Ki 3:11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
We must not be timid in declaring the truths that have been revealed to us, especially when asked or when someone is preaching or teaching manmade doctrine in our midst.
Eze 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
I hope this helps some,
Joe
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Excellent Joe, awesome scripture choice here. I'm going to paste it in Word, print it and stick it to my monitor.
Thank you.
It has helped some...someone like me. :)
Love,
Marie
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