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I submit this word for judgment
YellowStone:
Hi Christopher,
A very interesting post!
I would like to offer a comment that would appear to go against how others have responded. :)
My point is I read 19 times the phrase "Will You...?", which is of course a very good question; however, the question has but one answer, which is: Only if it is the will of God.
Does anyone here truly believe that "they" or "them" are free from the will of God, that each are living, thinking and saying according to their will and not God's? :)
We are all here at whatever place it is at this time because it is Gods intention for us to be. We can no more change his will, intent or purpose than he himself. For according to the following Scriptures.
Psalm 102:25-27
* Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end
Malachi 3:6
* For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
James 1:1
* Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Isn't it wonderful to know that our God is utterly unchanging, and what he has promised since the beginning of time, will happen. :) :) :)
We must never laud ourselves greater than any other, for how dare we pride ourselves for the insight given to us, when it was God who graciously gave it. I am no better than the worst person on Earth, because that person does not and never has existed. For all is, was and will be perfect through God, just as he has purposed.
The tradiotions of man were given by God; and that's why they are so vehemently followed; according to his will and his alone.
So I hope you understand that no one will hear, see or remotely learn the truth until God call's them out, and even then according to his time. :)
Please do not take this as an attack on you, I only wanted to share a different view point.
With Love and best wishes,
Darren
Craig:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on September 21, 2006, 12:43:13 PM ---Hi Christopher,
A very interesting post!
I would like to offer a comment that would appear to go against how others have responded. :)
My point is I read 19 times the phrase "Will You...?", which is of course a very good question; however, the question has but one answer, which is: Only if it is the will of God.
Does anyone here truly believe that "they" or "them" are free from the will of God, that each are living, thinking and saying according to their will and not God's? :)
We are all here at whatever place it is at this time because it is Gods intention for us to be. We can no more change his will, intent or purpose than he himself. For according to the following Scriptures.
Psalm 102:25-27
* Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end
Malachi 3:6
* For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
James 1:1
* Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Isn't it wonderful to know that our God is utterly unchanging, and what he has promised since the beginning of time, will happen. :) :) :)
We must never laud ourselves greater than any other, for how dare we pride ourselves for the insight given to us, when it was God who graciously gave it. I am no better than the worst person on Earth, because that person does not and never has existed. For all is, was and will be perfect through God, just as he has purposed.
The tradiotions of man were given by God; and that's why they are so vehemently followed; according to his will and his alone.
So I hope you understand that no one will hear, see or remotely learn the truth until God call's them out, and even then according to his time. :)
Please do not take this as an attack on you, I only wanted to share a different view point.
With Love and best wishes,
Darren
--- End quote ---
Thank You, and Amen
Craig
JCAliveInMe:
Dear brother Darren, thank you for responding to the post. No, not in any way do I take this as a personal attack to me. These truly are not my words, but were given under inspiration of the Holy Spirit Lord Jesus Christ.
I do see and understand your point, where in the prophetic word, the question is continually asked Will you hear? Will you receive? The way I see it, it is not that God does not know already, whether a person will hear or reject his word. It is more of a rhetorical question, with the answer already been known by God, but the actual desire to hear and obey is being provoked in the one He is talking to. It is true that no one can receive anything unless it be given him from above, and our eyes and our ears are closed until the Spirit of God opens our spirit to receive the things of the Spirit of God. Many times in order to get our attention, the Spirit of God provokes us with a challenge. I see these words, "will you hear?" as an actual challenge from God, pointing to the fact that that person is not presently hearing, and calling them into accountability to the word being spoken.
Based on an understanding of this, we can see that later in the prophetic word God asks," are you my sheep?" This is not to mean that God does not know who you sheep are. He knows His sheep and he calls them by name. But, it is to provoke the listener to question himself whether he is in the faith. Because, "and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out Jn. 10:3." Thus ,the listener is provoked to thought "am I one of His sheep"," can I really hear His voice, do I really except this word as being from Him ,is He really leading me out??
Love In Jesus Christ, Christopher
snorky:
Amen, Darren! Sometimes it seems to me that there is a contest here between those who have stopped going to church and those who still do for some reason. The point is, "church" is where we worship and fellowship with God, "church" is the (to use a title from a Flannery O'Connor story) "Temple of the Holy Ghost"...the heart/mind/soul/being/spirit. That is why before Christ died He has said He would raise the temple in 3 days. and He did, right? He IS the temple, He IS the church, and we are IN HIM, right? He is IN us. I know we are to "come out of her my people" but is the thing we are to come out of a "building" man built or the SYSTEM man has built? If we are to stop being judgmental, that means also when it comes to whether or not some here still go to church on Sunday (or perhaps Saturday, wheatever). As I have said in other posts my "church" meaning being with those of like heart is here...it just so happens that I also attend "church" here locally in the mountains, it is nondenominational and occasionally has a visiting preacher that just might knock your socks off he is so discerning! I attend because I clean it...I need the money for my meds. I can't work outside the community since I am usually without my husband and I homeschool. But that building is not my church and that pastor is not my pastor. My pastor is Christ.It is my wish that those who have stopped attending regular Sunday church not lay guilt trips on the rest of us.--snorky
chuckusa:
Snorky,
Although I agree with most of what you say, there are, I feel, several other considerations.
As far as a guilt trip. Who was it that said?..."no one can make you feel inferior without your consent". This is really true and applies here very well. I really haven't seen anyone lash out against the church without provocation. Certainly there have been comments made concerning how various people felt about their church, or how they were treated in church, but this comes about almost exclusively when someone starts trying to defend the church.
The fact that they do sometimes lash out when provocated, indicates one thing. That is an area in which they are progressing. They feel that they must voice their opinion in opposition to you. Lashing out for that reason serves absolutely no purpose. It is a weakness because they could choose to remain mute, and they do not. Do we not all find ourselves in this position from time to time? ( for me...all the time. )
As far as the forum, and the moderators...THAT subject is a matter of special importance. Once a discussion about church becomes an "argument", it has digressed into a religious dabate, which is greatly discouraged, and rightly so. I agree that the forum is NOT the place to discuss church issues in a defensive manner...if only soley for the division it causes. Going to church, or not going is a deeply personal part of our walk with Christ, and really doesn't even NEED to be debated at all, in my opinion.
No one has ever tried to put a guilt trip on me here. I admitted that I go to church in my very first posts, and although I admit I do often find sensitivity lacking in some of the comments I have read concerning peoples opinions about church, none have been directed AT me, nor have I ever seen them do that to you.
It may not sound like it, but I am on your side. Don't LET anyone may you feel guilty. It's not so much what was said, as it is how it is recieved.
God Bless and hope you understand what I mean.
Chuck
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