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[Extol]

I have read more than once in Ray's email responses that Paul stopped baptizing altogether after he realized that nothing physical can save you. Where in Scripture does it tell of this?
 Thanks
 Extol

[orion77]

Hello Extol, maybe this is what you are looking for:


(Heb 6:1 ASV)  Wherefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

(Heb 6:2 ASV)  of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


Here is a few more:


(1Co 1:13 ASV)  Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul?

(1Co 1:14 ASV)  I thank God that I baptized none of you, save Crispus and Gaius;

(1Co 1:15 ASV)  lest any man should say that ye were baptized into my name.

(1Co 1:16 ASV)  And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

(1Co 1:17 ASV)  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.

(1Co 1:18 ASV)  For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.


God bless,

Gary

[mongoose]

Gary,
  Actually, I have another question about this.  I've always read these verses to mean that Paul personally quit (or didn't) baptize anyone, but others did that work while he concentrated on spreading the gospel.  Is this your understanding (or anyone else's)?

mongoose

[Victoria]

Hello Extol, maybe this is what you are looking for:


(Heb 6:1 ASV)  Wherefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on unto perfection; not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

(Heb 6:2 ASV)  of the teaching of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


Here is a few more:


(1Co 1:13 ASV)  Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul?

(1Co 1:14 ASV)  I thank God that I baptized none of you, save Crispus and Gaius;

(1Co 1:15 ASV)  lest any man should say that ye were baptized into my name.

(1Co 1:16 ASV)  And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

(1Co 1:17 ASV)  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.

(1Co 1:18 ASV)  For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God.


God bless,

Gary

Is that mean you don't get baptize in Jesus name?  How you all be baptize?

[Falconn003]

Victoria

Ray answers that in an article and emails.

Here is but one of them.....from email linkof : http://bible-truths.com/email3.htm#baptism

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Dear Ray

I want to know what you know or teach on water baptism? I have been going through some of the articles that The Divine Plan has.

I am a former World Wide Church Of God member that has been really mixed up with different teachings. Everybody has different teachings.

So far you seem to have what I Think is a closer teaching what the Word of GOD is saying... Your articles have very helpful to me.

THANKS.   

P.S. I'll be keeping in touch

[Ray Replies]

Thank you for your email and question.

I don't have the time to write an whole article on the subject in an email. One day I will do that and post it on my site. But in a nut shell: 

Paul tells us that we no longer know Jesus AFTER the flesh.   Jesus Christ came IN THE FLESH to lead us INTO THE SPIRIT.  It was paramount to be CIRCUMCISED, KEEP HOLY DAYS, KEEP SABBATH, PAY TITHES, and  many PHYSICAL THINGS under the law of Moses. 

Jesus came with binding laws of the spirit.  In Matt. 5, 6, and 7 Jesus said

"you have heard it said [by the LAW OF MOSES]..." that you are to do this or do that, but Jesus said, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU..." 

And then He gave a different and contradicting law. 

Examples: 

"Swear" under Moses / DON'T SWEAR AT ALL UNDER CHRIST.   

"Hate your enemies" under Moses / LOVE YOUR ENEMIES UNDER CHRIST! 

"Don't commit adultery" under Moses / DON'T EVEN LOOK TO LUST AFTER A WOMAN UNDER CHRIST!

Get the point?

God said he would write His NEW COVENANT (not a revised version of the OLD COVENANT) upon the minds and hearts of His followers.

Circumcision was so very important to every Jewish man. Paul said "Circumcision IS NOTHING"!!!

So drastic was this change brought about by Jesus Christ, that Paul said that a PHYSICAL JEW of the PHYSICAL NATION OF ISRAEL, who is PHYSICALLY CIRCUMCISION in the flesh only, IS NO JEW AT ALL!!! But a GENTILE, not of the nation of Israel, and NOT PHYSICALLY CIRCUMCISED in the flesh, but CIRCUMCISED IN HIS HEART, HE, A GENTILE, IS A JEW!!! (Rom. 2:27-29).

Now then, with that in mind turn to Col.2:19-13:

"And ye are COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the head of all principality and power: In Whom also ye ARE CIRCUMCISED [how?] with the circumcision MADE WITHOUT HANDS, in putting off the body of the SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST: buried with Him in BAPTISM [how? same way! "without hands" or water], wherein also ye ARE RISEN WITH HIM through the faith of the operation of God, Who has raised Him from the dead. And you, being DEAD IN YOUR SINS and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened [made alive] together with Him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES."

According to Paul, "How many baptisms are there?" 

"There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE BAPTISM, ONE God and Father of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all" (Eph. 4:4-6).

Water baptism avails us NOTHING unless we are BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST (Rom. 6:3-7) with a baptism WITHOUT HANDS--not of the letter and the flesh, but of the SPIRIT!

Nothing that we do that starts in the flesh can add one cubic to our spiritual stature.

Hope that helps your understanding a little better.
 
God be with you,

Ray
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God bless

Rodger