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ChuckH:
Greetings one & all.
I have been reading Ray's stuff for a little more than a year now and have been greatly impacted. I have a question for any who can help me.....can someone please explain 1 Peter 3:19-20?
Thanks in advance.
hillsbororiver:
Hi Chuck,
Here is how I understand it. The Lord preached by Spirit to all the preceeding generations (through the Prophets) right up until the time of His earthly ministry, and upon His crucifixion, resurrection and Pentecost His Spirit (the same Spirit of Christ) became one with ours.
All the preceeding generations even up to John The Baptist (Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.) he (John), along with Adam, David, etc. were in "prison" as they were under the Old Covenant.
We are of the New Covenant, the reference to Noah is a shadow or a type of the many called, those alive at the time of Noah who heard his message (the Spirit of the Lord through Noah) and did not heed the warnings or scoffed at it were "the called," the 8 who survived the flood (were saved) represent the chosen.
I hope this helps.
If anyone has a better answer or can elaborate on this one please feel free to post it.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
sansmile:
--- Quote from: ChuckH on October 03, 2006, 10:46:45 AM ---Greetings one & all.
I have been reading Ray's stuff for a little more than a year now and have been greatly impacted. I have a question for any who can help me.....can someone please explain 1 Peter 3:19-20?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi ChickH,
(1Pe 3:19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(1Pe 3:20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The spirits in prison are those who still in th bondage of sin (they are still in darkness).
Here is an extract from a study i had saved:
Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
Isaiah 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
"The pit," is always typical of the grave. Here we have the grave pictured as a "prison." And we are told that God will visit them "after many days." But these were "spirits in prison."
What do the scriptures reveal "in prison," means? Lets look at a few of the many verses which tell us what is meant by this phrase:
Psalms 142:6 Attend unto my cry; for I am brought very low: deliver me from my persecutors; for they are stronger than I.
Psalms 142:7 Bring my soul out of prison, that I may praise thy name: the righteous shall compass me about; for thou shalt deal bountifully with me.
Ecclesiastes 4:13 Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished.
Ecclesiastes 4:14 For out of prison he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Preaching to "spirits in prison," is witnessing to "them that sit in darkness [and bringing them] out of the prison house," and "the opening of the prison to them that are bound." In other words, the "spirits in prison ... in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, were the spirits of those men who heard the witness of Noah and his family, during the 120 years the ark was "a preparing." These were the descendants of both Cain and Seth, who were "in [the] darkness," of rebellion against God, who were "bound," by the bondage of a life of sin.
When does Peter tell us that this witnessing to "spirits in prison," occurred?
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The "spirits in prison," as shown above are those who are separated by their deeds from the true people of God, Noah and his family. It was by and through the preaching of Noah and his family, inspired of God, that Christ "went and preached unto the spirits in prison."
Hope this helps you it helped me
Sansmile
GOD BLESS
YellowStone:
ChuckH asked:
I have been reading Ray's stuff for a little more than a year now and have been greatly impacted.
I have a question for any who can help me.....can someone please explain 1 Peter 3:19-20?
Very good question :) Here's my two cents worth based on my understanding of the Scripture
1Pe 3:18
* For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19
* By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; [/i]
Did Christ preach to the fallen patriarchs? Or was he speaking to fallen heavenly (spiritual) beings such as angels......I think we are aided in this reasoning by Scripture, which states that we are not spiritual but rather dust
Psa 31:5
* Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.
Ecc 12:7
* Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Kind of rules out the possibility of preaching to any long since dead human. But in Peter's 2nd letter we read the following: See also Jude 6 (below)
2Pe 2:4
* For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jude 6
* And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
I think if we also look at the Scriptual word translated "preached" (kerusso - Strongs 2784) then everything should fit perfectly :)
Preaching is often likened to teaching and we know that Christ was refered to as a teacher while on Earth in human form.
Jhn 3:2
* The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
But the word 'kerusso' means more than just teach, rather it means to herald, to proclaim
Here is the meaning as given by the Strongs Concordance
Kerusso - Strongs 2784
1) to be a herald, to officiate as a herald
a) to proclaim after the manner of a herald
b) always with the suggestion of formality, gravity and an authority which must be listened to and obeyed
2) to publish, proclaim openly: something which has been done
3) used of the public proclamation of the gospel and matters pertaining to it, made by John the Baptist, by Jesus, by the apostles and other Christian teachers
It is my understanding that Christ preached to fallen angels (or similiar) in such a way to proclaim his victory over death, to herald his success and I am not suggesting he did it rudely, but I am betting it did not sadden him :)
Comments are alway welcome, because truth is priceless,
Love to all,
Darren
justifyothers:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on October 03, 2006, 07:12:29 PM ---ChuckH asked:
I have been reading Ray's stuff for a little more than a year now and have been greatly impacted.
I have a question for any who can help me.....can someone please explain 1 Peter 3:19-20?
Very good question :) Here's my two cents worth based on my understanding of the Scripture
1Pe 3:18
* For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19
* By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; [/i]
Did Christ preach to the fallen patriarchs? Or was he speaking to fallen heavenly (spiritual) beings such as angels......I think we are aided in this reasoning by Scripture, which states that we are not spiritual but rather dust
May I pop in?? It seems like the second part of the verse in question was overlooked. It pretty clearly defines which spirits He was preaching/heralding to. Those who:
"....formerly were disobedient when the long-suffering of God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared..." So, who was that??
Who was the Spirit of God preaching to?? Those who were disobedient in the time of Noah. Well, that was everybody minus eight! Yes, I'm saying their spirits were in "prison" for a time. It does not mean that our bodies do not turn to dust -- just not our spirits. Perhaps this was their judgement time. It's OK not to have ALL the answers, as long as we don't allow speculative conjecture to run amuk (sp?)
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