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Long Hair
Kevin:
I agree Sorin its just hair.I had long hair and short hair and Im sure Gods love towards me was the same either way. I had friends that belonged to churches and it was all rules-wear this wear that put your hair in a bun, cut your hair. Its all bondage.
Sorin:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---I wasn't going to post anything in this thread but I think some of us are missing the point of what Paul said and it's relationship to the time he was living in. I believe it has more to do with custom more than any specific or literal length of hair
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I think you've nailed it.
sunset_drama_king:
--- Quote from: Sorin ---
--- Quote from: Ray ---it is a shame for a man to have long and/or curley hair
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Well said.
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Sorin,
that pic of Christ you posted is extremely pagan it hurts to look at it, I highly doubt Christ looked anything like that pic.... in fact we aren't told Christ had long hair at all, so it's merely conjecture on that point. Notice the SUN behind Christ's head, this is a classic cultic/mythological form of art to express DIVINE POWER, also how the robe is pulled up into a portion of a triangle.....I bet I could find more if I studied it longer....
Anyhow, that being said, I also agree it's not correct to condemn someone or even find spiritual fault in someone with "long" hair, I mean how in the world do you define LONG? That eliminates the "physical condemnation" of this completely...the point is obviously, to have long hair to "look like a women" as in the intention of the heart, which IS what defiles us, not hair.....it's to desire "being feminine", all the guys I know with long hair, have this be the LAST goal on their mind.....
I grew up in a strict pentecostal church that was obsessed with me and my brother's long hair (we played "christian metal" back then....), to the point of threatening hell fire on us if we did not cut it.....of course, before leaving that den of hypocrisy, we would just mention Samson's story (being just as carnal, it's all we had to go on, what can I say.... lol) and ask "How could God give this man power because of His long hair, and then turn around now and expect us to literally cut it now because its important enough to send us to hell forever"....not the best argument, but it shut them up usually....
Anyways, it's what's WITHIN a man that defiles us, if our hair does this (or unwashed hands), then Christ bold faced lied....I guess take your pick everyone. I have.
[ironically I have short hair now, nothing to do with my choice, just job circumstance, etc... LOL] :P
God Bless,
- Brett
Sorin:
--- Quote from: sunset_drama_king ---Sorin,
that pic of Christ you posted is extremely pagan it hurts to look at it, I highly doubt Christ looked anything like that pic.... in fact we aren't told Christ had long hair at all, so it's merely conjecture on that point.
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True, but we are told Jesus was a Jew. and that's good enough for me to
suggest that most likely he had long hair. and does anyone doubt that He didn't wear pants?
--- Quote from: sunset_drama_king ---Notice the SUN behind Christ's head, this is a classic cultic/mythological form of art to express DIVINE POWER, also how the robe is pulled up into a portion of a triangle.....I bet I could find more if I studied it longer....
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Well isn't Christ the Divine Saviour? then what's wrong with a Sun symbolizing Divine Power for someone who is Divine?
Besides, I just did a google search for Jesus, to find a pic I could use for that post. :lol:
I didn't really stop to ponder the sun and the triangulars and what not.
--- Quote from: sunset_drama_king ---Anyhow, that being said, I also agree it's not correct to condemn someone or even find spiritual fault in someone with "long" hair, I mean how in the world do you define LONG? That eliminates the "physical condemnation" of this completely...the point is obviously, to have long hair to "look like a women" as in the intention of the heart, which IS defiles us.....to "be more feminine", all the guys I know with long hair, have this be the LAST goal on their mind.....
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Right and most guys that have long hair nowadays are in rock bands and they're not trying to become chicks, they're trying to get chicks. :lol:
--- Quote from: sunset_drama_king ---I grew up in a strict pentecostal church that was obsessed with me and my brother's long hair (we played "christian metal" back then....), to the point of threatening hell fire on us if we did not cut it.....of course, before leaving that den of hypocrisy, we would just mention Samson's story(being carnal it's all we had to go on, what can I say.... lol) and ask "How could God give this man power because of His long hair, and then turn around now and expect us to literally cut it now because its important enough to send us to hell forever"....not the best argument, but it shut them up usually....
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Yeah, I have that Pentecostal background too unfortunately.
--- Quote from: sunset_drama_king ---Anyways, it's what's WITHIN a man that defiles us, if our hair does this (or unwashed hands), then Christ bold faced lied....I guess take your pick everyone. I have.
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Exactly. it's not about the physical. the Flesh Profits nothing.
love_magnified:
--- Quote from: Sorin ---True, but we are told Jesus was a Jew. and that's good enough for me to suggest that most likely he had long hair. and does anyone doubt that He didn't wear pants?
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It would be strange for Paul to admonish men to keep their hair short if Christ Jesus had his hair long shortly before in the flesh, especially if that was the style for the typical Jew (Paul was a Pharisee after all, with short hair).
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html
Would some lose some love for Jesus if he didn't look pretty, but looked more like this:
It's worth considering. Before I understood the reconciliation of all things, this was a test for me. Now I don't care. He is beautiful regardless of what his flesh looked like. But some make an idol out of his image and fall in love with that idol (not that this is you, Sorin, but it makes me think...) ;)
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