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kennymac:
Hi Joe,

Sorry, I did not realize that my post contradicts Ray's teachings. If possible Joe can you point out to me where my post is in opposition to rays teachings, so that in the future I do not again speak of things that are upsetting to you. That is certainly not my intentions.

Thanks,

Mary Ann

orion77:
Hello MG,

This has to do with Christ fulfilling the law of Moses and bringing in the new covenant.  We are no longer under law, but grace.  Being baptized unto Christs death, by maturing to the point of being crucified with Christ is finally getting past the law, and into His life.  For by His death we are atoned of our sins, but we are saved by His life. 

The old covenant is the administration of death, now thankfully by the grace of God, no longer has a hold onto us, who follow Jesus, and live by faith. 


(Mat 4:13 LITV)  And having left Nazareth, having come He lived at Capernaum, beside the sea in the districts of Zebulun and Naphtali,

(Mat 4:14 LITV)  so that might be fulfilled that spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:

(Mat 4:15 LITV)  "Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations:

(Mat 4:16 LITV)  the people sitting in darkness saw a great Light; and to those sitting in the region and shadow of death, Light sprang up to them." Isa. 9:1, 2


The 'shadow of death', we all by now know what that refers to.  Light has sprang up, but as we have all learned they love the darkness.  This is speaking of the ushering in of the new covenant, but they refuse to let go of the old.  The obedient ones follow Christ, not Moses.  Moses was a shadow, but Jesus is the real thing. 


(Rom 6:21 LITV)  Therefore what fruit did you have then in the things over which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

(Rom 6:22 LITV)  But now having been set free from sin, and having been enslaved to God, you have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end everlasting life.


The bible is plumb full of book, chapter, and verses that plainly speak of the passing of the old to the new, the darkness to the light, yet most love the darkness.  They just can't seem to get past the old and into the new.  Obedience and faith go hand in hand in following Christ into the law of faith, into life, dying to the law of Moses and into the glorious light of Christ, where the yoke is much lighter.

Read and study the entire book of Hebrews, it makes it much plainer than I can.  Also the book of Romans, especially the 5th and 6th chapters.

Hope this helps, God bless.

Gary

Kat:
Hi MG,

I was looking at the verses you showed again
and found that the Good News bible uses a simple language,
that might help in understanding this.

Rom 6:3  For surely you know that when we were baptized into union with Christ Jesus, we were baptized into union with his death.
Rom 6:4  By our baptism, then, we were buried with him and shared his death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from death by the glorious power of the Father, so also we might live a new life.
Rom 6:5  For since we have become one with him in dying as he did, in the same way we shall be one with him by being raised to life as he was.
Rom 6:6  And we know that our old being has been put to death with Christ on his cross, in order that the power of the sinful self might be destroyed, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin.
Rom 6:7  For when we die, we are set free from the power of sin.
Rom 6:8  Since we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Rom 6:11  In the same way you are to think of yourselves as dead, so far as sin is concerned, but living in fellowship with God through Christ Jesus.

Rom 7:4  That is how it is with you, my friends. As far as the Law is concerned, you also have died because you are part of the body of Christ; and now you belong to him who was raised from death in order that we might be useful in the service of God.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

orion77:
(1Jo 3:4 LITV)  Everyone practicing sin also practices lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

(1Jo 3:5 LITV)  And you know that that One was revealed that He might take away our sins, and sin is not in Him.

(1Jo 3:6 LITV)  Everyone remaining in Him does not sin. Everyone sinning has not seen Him, nor known Him.

(1Jo 3:7 LITV)  Little children, let no one lead you astray; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, even as that One is righteous.

(1Jo 3:8 LITV)  The one practicing sin is of the devil, because the devil sins from the beginning. For this the Son of God was revealed, that He might undo the works of the devil.

(1Jo 3:9 LITV)  Everyone who has been begotten of God does not sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.


How are the above words possible, when we all know ourselves we are sinners.  It becomes different when under the faith of Christ, we are not under the physical law anymore, and if not under the law, where is the sin?  But do we willfully sin?  No, God forbid, yet we still sin, as Paul plainly put it. 

Now we no longer try to live good out of fear of punishment, but we live good, because of the love of God and His Christ, who in we cry Abba, Father.  Difference is darkness and light.

God bless,

Gary

MG:
Thank you all.

You've given me a lot to think about.

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