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Slaves to Sin
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on October 14, 2006, 12:48:15 PM ---This morning I woke up thinking about how Jesus and the Father are two entities of One Mind and how believers are of two minds in one entity.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Believers have the Mind of Christ warring against the carnal mind of the beast within, this struggle with the bondage to sin we were created with underlines the total lack of free will that the denominations say humanty has;
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
This tug of war between the carnal nature and the Spirit of Christ within us ultimately will make us spiritually stronger but I can say from experience that weariness also rears its head at times, making it difficult to connect with others even as they go through the same type of trials within themselves. I believe this weariness serves a noble purpose as it inspires us to shut off the outside influences to seek rest within Him, giving us the strength to move forward in our spiritual walk.
Pro 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Remembering the promises of rest and replenishment in Him will help us through through these times;
Jer 31:25 For I have satiated the weary soul, and I have replenished every sorrowful soul.
Jer 31:26 Upon this I awaked, and beheld; and my sleep was sweet unto me.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
It is not our reality or destiny to be "free" in the strict sense of the word, we can have the freedom of no longer being slaves to sin but when we are called to our Lord we are to become slaves to righteousness which is Him living in us. I find it is in those private moments with Him when experiencing the feeling of pure peace and love, when He reveals Himself more abundantly and I get a taste of what is to come, and that gives me the strength to continue the race.
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye ******** and not sons.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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The post previous to this (above) I believe ties in to my original post (quoted here).
ned:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on November 03, 2006, 10:26:30 PM ---Earlier today this verse kept coming to mind, I thought it would be appropriate here;
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.3126
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μαμμωνᾶς
mammōnas
mam-mo-nas'
Of Chaldee origin (confidence, that is, figuratively wealth, personified); mammonas, that is, avarice (deified): - mammon.
The Amplified Translation reads;
Matthew 6:24 (Amplified Bible)
24No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stand by and be devoted to the one and despise and be [a]against the other. You cannot serve God and mammon (deceitful riches, money, possessions, or [c]whatever is trusted in).
I don't believe we can ever truly separate ourselves from this dual mindset while we are in the flesh, the churches teach the impossible, that we are either/or, one or the other, I think this verse is saying that (once we are called) we ARE subject to both, but we will hate one or the other, when we are tempted to sin and we lust after the object of our desire we hate the voice of His Spirit that admonishes us, but when we submit to His admonitions we hate the voice of the temptor. When we were only natural, carnal unbelievers this conflict did not exist. .
Even though victory has been established through His death and resurrection and our spirit is married to His Spirit, we are still subject to the weakness of the flesh, which we despise more and more as His Spirit increases and we decrease.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Hi Joe!
Your comments make perfect sense to me. It is so true for me, as I do hate when I cave in to the desires of the flesh, but what's amazing, is I am always aware that I've caved in, I can't SIN and NOT know it. This is good! This is a learning process for me because I get sick of knowing I've sinned, and I'm sure through no goodness of my own, I turn from that sin. How amazing is our God? Could anyone else discipline in this way?
I would also say the "mammon" quoted in the verse above refers also to man. Do we serve God or man? Do we listen to God or man? We can't serve man and God. I believe those that try to serve both are like the ones Jesus warns us of in Rev 3:15, they're neither hot nor cold, but are lukewarm. They will be spit out of His mouth! How many billions will be spit out?
What a great reminder of who we should be serving ALWAYS. Pray without ceasing is a necessity here.
Peace to you Joe.
Love,
Marie
Deborah-Leigh:
Joe
You wrote...... "I think this verse is saying that (once we are called) we ARE subject to both, but we will hate one or the other,..."
THAT insight is DAZZLING in clarity and truth! I had never seen it that way before! ;D What a liberating insight! :D
Arcturus :)
orion77:
(Mat 6:24) No one is able to serve two lords; for either he will hate the one, and he will love the other; or he will cleave to the one, and he will despise the other. You are not able to serve God and wealth.
This is an interesting verse, have you looked at the definitions of the words, hate, cleave and despise here.
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μισέω
miseō
mis-eh'-o
From a primary word μῖσος misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less: - hate (-ful).
G472
ἀντέχομαι
antechomai
an-tekh'-om-ahee
From G473 and the middle of G2192; to hold oneself opposite to, that is, (by implication) adhere to; by extension to care for: - hold fast, hold to, support.
G2706
καταφρονέω
kataphroneō
kat-af-ron-eh'-o
From G2596 and G5426; to think against, that is, disesteem: - despise.
Also, look at the word 'wealth' with its definition and spiritual applications.
G3126
μαμμωνᾶς
mammōnas
mam-mo-nas'
Of Chaldee origin (confidence, that is, figuratively wealth, personified); mammonas, that is, avarice (deified): - mammon.
Who are the ones that were given much wealth and chosen above all the other nations in the bible? Lazarus and the rich man, with Rays article should let us know who the 'rich' are, with the law that they 'trust' in.
Coming out of babylon, now seeing that it was impossible for us to please God through the law, but through faith in obedience. It is not possible to spirtually see and follow Christ, while under the law.
(Gal 4:21) Tell me, those desiring to be under Law, do you not hear the Law?
(Gal 4:22) For it has been written, Abraham had two sons, one out of the slave woman and one out of the free woman.
(Gal 4:23) But, indeed, he of the slave woman has been born according to flesh, and he out of the free woman through the promise,
(Gal 4:24) which things are being allegorized, for these are two covenants, one, indeed, from Mount Sinai bringing forth to slavery (which is Hagar,
(Gal 4:25) for Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, and she slaves with her children),
(Gal 4:26) but the Jerusalem from above is free, who is the mother of us all;
(Gal 4:27) for it has been written, "Be glad, barren one not bearing; break forth and shout, the one not travailing; for more are the children of the desolate rather than she having the husband." Isa. 54:1
(Gal 4:28) But, brothers, we are children of promise according to Isaac.
(Gal 4:29) But then, even as he born according to flesh persecuted the one according to Spirit, so it is also now.
(Gal 4:30) But what says the Scripture? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for in no way shall the son of the slave woman inherit with the son of the free woman." Gen. 21:10
(Gal 4:31) Then, brothers, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman.
These words are true even today, the ones desiring to be under law persecute those according to Spirit. Flesh, law, son of the slave woman, and if you can see 'rich' are these who are under the wrath of God. Spirit, grace, son of the free woman, and if you can see 'poor' are those who are under the righteousness of God.
(Mat 5:3) Blessed are the poor in spirit! For theirs is the kingdom of the Heavens.
(Mat 19:21) Jesus said to him, If you desire to be perfect, go sell your property and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me.
(Luk 6:20) And lifting up His eyes to His disciples, He said: Blessed are the poor, for the kingdom of God is yours.
(Luk 6:21) Blessed are those hungering now, for you will be filled. Blessed are those weeping now, for you will laugh.
(Luk 6:22) Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they cut you off, and will reproach you, and will cast out your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man;
(Luk 6:23) rejoice in that day, and leap for joy; for, behold, your reward is much in Heaven! For their fathers did according to these things to the prophets.
(Luk 6:24) But woe to you, rich ones, for you have your comfort!
(Luk 6:25) Woe to you, those having been filled, for you will hunger! Woe to you, those laughing now, for you will mourn and lament!
(Luk 6:26) Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers did according to these things to the false prophets.
(2Co 8:9) For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that being rich, He became poor for your sake, so that you might become rich by the poverty of that One.
(Rev 3:17) Because you say, I am rich, and I am made rich, and I have need of nothing, and do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.
(Rev 3:18) I advise you to buy from Me gold having been fired by fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, and your shame and nakedness may not be revealed. And anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
(Rev 3:19) I, as many "as I love, I rebuke and I chasten." Be zealous, then, and repent. Prov. 3:12
(Rev 3:20) Behold, I stand at the door and knock: If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will enter to him, and I will dine with him, and he with Me.
Sorry for the length, but necessary scripture for the explanation. Can you all see this?
God bless,
Gary
Deborah-Leigh:
Joe
I saw this while re-reading Ray's LOF part 15 that also gives light on the not being able to serve God and Mammon.
I had read it before....it just had not clicked! :D In case this has happend to others too, here is what I found.....again :D
Quoting Ray....
THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH
I stated earlier that it is through LAW that God controls all things in the universe. Only the ego of the carnal mind is so great that it actually believes it is the exception to the universal rule, and is not subject to law, but is free from law. I tell you assuredly, it is not exempt from law.
We saw that with Adam and Eve, as well as with Peter and all the disciples, that there was always a cause that made men will as they did. But why is it that the natural carnal mind always wills against God? Why does it always will to sin and do evil? And why does the spirit mind of converted man always desire to obey God and do what is good? Could there be a "law" at work here? Yes, indeed there is. The carnal-minded man is governed by one law, whereas the converted man is governed by a different law, but all are governed by law.
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom. 8:1-2).
Notice that one law frees us from another law, but we still remain under some law. All unconverted carnal-minded humanity is under "the LAW of sin and death." That law controls the unregenerate man. And he cannot, of his own will, break the controls of that law. That law will control him until he dies or unless God intervenes with a different offsetting law, namely, "the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus." .............unquote
Arcturus :)
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