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iris:
I haven't read anything in Ray's papers or the emails he gets about Christmas. I would ike to know what the Bible view is on this. I thought someone here could help me out. Thanks!

gmik:
Hi Iris.  Welcome.

On his site, in the e-mail section look for holidays.  That is all physical stuff not spiritual.

Kat is really good at finding things, maybe she will read this.  I really just wanted to welcome you. :D

gena

Kat:
Hi Gena,

Well thanks for the confidence,
I think I just have the time to do the hunting.

http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html

CHRISTMAS:

Most religious festivals of the world have something to do with sex or fertility. The Christian Holy Days are no different. They ARE in fact, little more than these same pagan festivals with Christian orientations. Christmas, for example IS the pagan Roman Saturnalia or sometimes called "The Festival of Lights." But even the Saturnalia predates the founding of Rome by centuries. This same festival can be traced to Babylon, and yes, you guessed it, to Egypt and their winter celebration of lights.

December 25 is near the winter solstice. It is the time when the sun after having been at the lowest point in the heavens, beings to rise over the world with renewed vigor and power. It was the time of heathen festivities in worship of the sun. The vernal equinox is the point where the sun crosses the celestial equator, about March 20, making day and night of equal length everywhere. This was the time of pagan spring festivals.

The day of December 25 acquired a new significance under the rule of Emperor Aurelian. He proclaimed this day as "Dies Natalis Invicti Solis," or the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. This was because of a strange Eastern religion, Mithraism, whose god Mithras was identified with the Unconquered Sun. During the Saturnalia work of every kind ceased. Schools were closed.

The Roman Saturnalia was boisterous. But whatever the behavior of some Romans, others were simply merry. They ate big dinners, visited their friends, etc. The halls of the Romans were decked with boughs of laurel and of green trees, with lighted candles and with lamps--for the hovering spirits of darkness were afraid of light. Bonfires were lit in high places to strengthen the reviving sun in his course. Candles and green wreaths were given as presents, the streets were crowded with noisy processions of men and women carrying lighted tapers, and public places were decked with flowers and shrubs. The practice of giving and receiving presents was almost as common then as it is now at Christmas. Our present day "Christmas spirit" is actually the spirit of this old Roman festival.
All of this pagan nonsense found in the Christian Church came out of Rome and Greece and Egypt. The worship of sex and fertility pictured by symbols of sex and reproduction and fertility was a major part of pagan religion, and Egypt was the origin of many of these pagan practices. Did God reveal His truth to the Egyptians and expect Moses to learn the truths of God from the Egyptians? Moses learned all the pagan customs of Egypt, but he did not pass so much as one of them onto Israel. All that Moses taught Israel CAME FROM GOD.

SO WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?
What does God think of the religion and wisdom and customs of Egypt?
It means that virtually everything about Christendom—from its name ‘Church,’ to the architecture of their buildings, to the origin of their holy days and doctrines, is all straight out of heathenism,
of which God Almighty declares:
"LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN… inquire NOT after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? Even so WILL I DO LIKEWISE" (Jer. 10:2 & Deut. 12:30).

All Christian doctrines that are not out of paganism are nonetheless, unscriptural.
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Hope this will help you Iris.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

hughbee40:
I used to be very uptight about christmas, halloween and easter.  If you do some research, it's not hard to find that they are all very pagan in their origin.  However, I have found that if you truly have your heart centered on Jesus Christ and believe in the sovereign will of God, these distractions will have very little effect upon you.  I believe, that as many christians have a"flawed" viewpoint as it relates to God, so do those who view Satan as some sort of adversary to God.  While holidays such as christmas, halloween and easter may have no true biblical significance and in many cases become a sort of worship to Satan or an anti-christ belief, to a true christian they are nothing more than a series of holidays.  One word of caution I humbly offer is to never tell your children that there is a Santa Clause.  For no other reason than to keep from lying to them.  One day they will discover that there isn't one and while they may never say "you lied to me", you have established a subliminal precedent that you can and will lie to them.  Always strive to maintain a spirit of truth which led you to L. Ray's website and this forum.

Yours in Christ
Hughbee40

gmik:
Kat, I knew you'd come thru! :)

This forum has done threads on this before, and there really has been no consensus (same for go to church, don't go to church).

Don't you think in America, mostly it is observed cuz we get some time off work?? Gatherings with the family, food, gifts etc.  Think how many "churches' close their doors on the eve and the day, when years ago it was what ya did  --go to church at those times.

I don't think most people worry about what Egyptians did 4,000 yrs ago or what the germans did 200 yrs ago with the christmas tree. Now christendom holds onto the pretense that we are honoring the christchild and remembering His birth ALONG with Madison Avenues campaign to loosen our wallets.

I believe Ray nailed it but in reality with our families it is hard to NOT participate.

gena

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