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hebrewroots98:
Greetings everyone,
After reading all of the posts, I would like to share what I have persoanlly experienced at the expense of giving up these holidays. My husband and I gave up this 'christmas' about 10 years ago after learning from a book called "FOSSILIZED CUSTOMS" and a video called America's Occult Holidays (which we have both still and use it as a tool for those wanting to learn more about where America's Holidays have come from; and these are only available at certain places, not your traditional bookstores.) We literally had a time with having withdrawl symptoms, but nothing we didn't get through.
However, our family members thought that we had gone off of the deep end. They just didn't get it at all, and they still don't- even after attempts to explain it. WE HAVE LITERALLY BEEN WRITTEN OFF BY SO MANY IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS OVER THIS ONE ISSUE (not participating in their hollidays anymore)THAT WE ARE HARDLY CONSIDERED 'FAMILY' ANYMORE. (We wonder if these holidays aren't idols of ones' heart perhaps?) However, we wanted to OBEY GOD RATHER THAN MAN; (Jer.10 and Duet. 12.) We had learned that not only were these American kept 'holidays' very pagan in origin but also that God said (in Duet 12) "do not say that I say that it is ok to celebrate like this b/c BABIES ARE DYING in the fires to molech (their pagan god.)". Knowing of people in the occult whom have 'come out of her my people", and knowing what they did (AND STILL DO IN THE OCCULT WORLD TODAY, 2006) to innocent babies; just to please their 'god' (satan); there is NO WAY that we can participate and condone what is going on behind the scenes (illegally)in satanism TODAY. TODAY MANY BABIES IN ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD HAVE BEEN SACRIFICED TO A FALSE god named satan!!! IT has already happened TODAY AND LAST NIGHT in your city and you just didn't know it!!!
hebrewroots98:
Sorry everyone; the last half of my previous post got deleted somehow??
What I was saying was that "the traditions of men make void the word of God", and that all of the American (traditional) Holidays that are on the American calendar (also called the Gregorian calendar) (except for Thanksgiving) have been handed down to we Americans from pagan sources. Each holiday comes from pagan sources whom have just 'christianized them to cover up their origional roots. God didn't like these holidays then (b/c babies were dying for the false gods back then;) and He doesn't like our holidays today b/c innocent babies are still dying on every major American Holiday (in this country and in every city the USA as well as in every city around the world.) My husband and I dread and grieve these holidays (Halloween;IshtarEaster; Christmas etc..) b/c we know what happens and we can't control it, thus we don't feel very celebratory in our consciences when we know what some satanists are doing to please their god satan. Our 8 yr old son has known and understood these things now for a few years. We tell him the truth and he accepts it for what it is. He has no desire to celebrate these holidays.
We do however, celbrate hanukkah (even tho we aren't Jewish), b/c Jesus celebrated this 'tradition' of the Miricle of Lights". Our (Daniel Isaiah) absolutely loves this time; he gets presents and we have a positive alternative and experience for him. Of course we make Yeshua (Jesus) the center of it all as being our Miricle of lights and how we are supposed to follow HIS example of bieng a light in a dark world. We do celebrate Thankskgiving as well. We also try and bless someone everyday with some good deed, not just on a holiday. This is not the easy life (it is easier to just go with the flow), yet, we feel good about 'doing the right thing' here that we feel that God has shown to us.
I hope that I cleared up some issues with you and that I did not offend any of you, as that was not my intention here. We are told to uphold the truth and this is how I see the truth in this matter.
MUCH LOVE IN HIM,
YellowStone:
Arcturus, this is Golden and beautifully spoken :)
You wrote:
Bill
You ask...."if someone physically celebrates christmas, is this an absolute? Or is it possible to physically celebrate christmas but not spiritually?
Relatively speaking, I think that if someone celebrates christmas it may not necessarily be spiritually celebrated for that person. I think is is absolutely possible to spiritually celebrate christmas evey day but not necessarily only on one day of every year!.... yes Bill. Absolutely speaking I think absolutely not
Arcturus...
I agree with you 100%. :)
There is a big difference between being "religiously" tied to Christmas and being spiritually free. For we are told to "Come out of her" (Scripture below) but what use is not going to church but still being spiritually strangled by its pagan beliefs. Coming out surely means being free from the stranglehold. This then provides a great opportunity to show love and share love with family and friends. I have found that at such times, many opportunities arise to share the truth. You are so right, we should spiritually celebrate the birth of Christ every single day. :)
Rev 18:4
* And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Much Love to you,
Darren
Craig:
I think this Christmas thread, or thanksgiving or easter, or birthdays, or, or, or.............. is getting away from what we should be concerned about.
Romans 14 should be studied.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Now, if you don't want to celebrate a holiday or other festive occasion, then by all means don't. If you wish to celebrate then by all means do. It is between you and God, I for one won't tell you what you should do, I think the verse in Romans speaks volumes. If I tell you I don't celebrate Christmas or any other holiday it may be a stumbling block to some brothers/sisters, if I tell you I do celebrate holidays it may be a stumbling block to others.
If what we do outwardly is of our own strength of spirit rather than God working in us, what have we accomplished?
The great thing about this forum is, I believe, that all here are seeking the same goals and prize, and I hope we are not viewed as judgemental, legalistic, etc.
We must let Christ work through US, not...US... through Christ, because if we do that then we my as well spit in the wind.
Merry Christmas! :D ;)
Craig
rocky:
--- Quote from: parsonssc on December 25, 2006, 10:56:05 PM ---I think this Christmas thread, or thanksgiving or easter, or birthdays, or, or, or.............. is getting away from what we should be concerned about.
Romans 14 should be studied.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Now, if you don't want to celebrate a holiday or other festive occasion, then by all means don't. If you wish to celebrate then by all means do. It is between you and God, I for one won't tell you what you should do, I think the verse in Romans speaks volumes. If I tell you I don't celebrate Christmas or any other holiday it may be a stumbling block to some brothers/sisters, if I tell you I do celebrate holidays it may be a stumbling block to others.
If what we do outwardly is of our own strength of spirit rather than God working in us, what have we accomplished?
The great thing about this forum is, I believe, that all here are seeking the same goals and prize, and I hope we are not viewed as judgemental, legalistic, etc.
We must let Christ work through US, not...US... through Christ, because if we do that then we my as well spit in the wind.
Merry Christmas! :D ;)
Craig
--- End quote ---
Thanks Craig. your post enspired me to read the 14th chapter of Romans and i love the ending.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
and this one
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
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