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Question From Jennie
shibboleth:
The reason we are concerned about wolves in sheeps clothing, Harryfeat, is because Jesus warned us about them.
Mt.7:15-16 Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
What are these fruits other than false doctrine? It isn't talking about doing good works. Those are ehlpful to people. But what comes out of a man is what defiles him.
My understanding of Christiandom is not hasty generalization. I have studied the doctrines of all major denominations and they all have basically the same beliefs. I will list them below.
1. Church is a meeting, a building, or a place you go to.
2. God is sending the majority of humanity to hellfire.
3. God is triune.
4.You have to make a decision for Christ in order to be a Christian.
5. Man has a free will and can choose any event in this life.
Harryfeat, I don't care about your opinion, I care about truth. Your opinion may be true, but you shouldn't believe it unless you can rightly contend for the faith, and prove what you believe.
You are welcome here if you don't become antagonistic and try to bully people with your thoughts.
Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: bobbys43 ---I agree Sorin!!!!
I reread that post by Feat and that first part slipped right by me!
Hasty Generalization of Christiandom???????
That is totally correct in what you stated Sorin!!All the christians I know believe these things and that is why they are still in the church!!! My younger brother and one of his christian croneys said nothing good about the bible truths and I am by now sure they consider me a heritic!
Harryfeat I would like to know what you ment by that statement! I am sure most here at the forum would like to know what you ment by that statement!! You compared that statement to arabs and that all think they are terrorists!!! If they are muslum, they are an enemy of God and that is not a hasty Generalization my friend!!! Also mainstream christians that believe in eternal hell torment,freewill which is against God's will,Tithing as a command by God,condone war, believe that you must come to Christ instead of Him goming to you!!! I for one do not call that a Hasty Generalization Of Christiondom I call it THE FACTS!!!!!!
PLEASE ANSWER THAT HARRYFEAT!!!!!
bobby
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Hi bobby
I will state again that in my opinion, characterizing ALL of christendom is a generalization. The reference to arabs was just an example of profiling that we sometime do to unfairly lump people in different categories. [btw Catholics are not required to tithe and I would include them in christiandom]
If you want to limit yourself to MAINSTREAM christiandom then perhaps you are correct that all or nearly all would believe in hell. If you want to include ALL of christiandom then you have to consider that there are those who believe in universal salvation as well. Admittedly this percent is small as I previously stated, but it is a generalization to state that all believe in hell. I don't think that it is factual to make a blanket statement like that. I am a christian and part of christiandom and I do not believe in eternal torment. Also, there are other christians who believe in annihilation rather than eternal torment of hell.
I find that lumping people and using all inclusive terms does a disservice to those who do not follow mainstream or majority.
So yes, I disagree that ALL of christendom believes in hell's eternal torment and in my opinion, to say so is not factual.
If you think I am off base, why would your first comment be to threaten me with banning instead of just asking my why my opinion differs from yours. It not like I said anything sacrilegious or heretical.
Am I to be banned because my opinion differs from you and Sorin.
You guys are really strict.
I hope this answers your question. If not I would be happy to answer any addition concerns you have.
feat
jennie:
Hey ya'll, Thanks so much for answering and I do understand a bit better now. Please don't let my question and confusion cause animosity among you. That is mainly why I did a private message so as to not start any feelings of ill will amongst the group. I promise it's okay. God knows our hearts and His plans for our lives both now and in the future. Thank you all again.
Harryfeat:
--- Quote from: shibboleth ---The reason we are concerned about wolves in sheeps clothing, Harryfeat, is because Jesus warned us about them.
Mt.7:15-16 Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
What are these fruits other than false doctrine? It isn't talking about doing good works. Those are ehlpful to people. But what comes out of a man is what defiles him.
My understanding of Christiandom is not hasty generalization. I have studied the doctrines of all major denominations and they all have basically the same beliefs. I will list them below.
1. Church is a meeting, a building, or a place you go to.
2. God is sending the majority of humanity to hellfire.
3. God is triune.
4.You have to make a decision for Christ in order to be a Christian.
5. Man has a free will and can choose any event in this life.
Harryfeat, I don't care about your opinion, I care about truth. Your opinion may be true, but you shouldn't believe it unless you can rightly contend for the faith, and prove what you believe.
You are welcome here if you don't become antagonistic and try to bully people with your thoughts.
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Hi shibboleth,
I apologize if you thought I was trying to bully anyone with my opinion. After all that's all it is, my own opinion.
I understand the concept of wolves and maintain a healthy skepticism of all that I am told.
Your understanding of christendom and my own are obviously different because I do not limit christendom to only the major denominations. I completely agree with you about the major denominations. They do not comprise all of christendom however.
Maybe I am being a bit anal retentive here but I still believe that it is a hasty generalization to lump everybody into the same belief catagory.
I don't have a handle on the statistics, but I realize too that there is only a small percentage of christians who do not follow the same precepts as the major organizations do. Is it factual to include them when you make general comments about christendom?
I am sorry if anyone felt I was trying to bully them into accepting my opinion. Thanks for welcoming me to stay.
I am overwhelmed by the unexpected ferocity of response.
feat
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---
--- Quote from: Sorin ---
--- Quote from: harryfeat ---We on this forum are guilty of hasty generalization of all of Christendom
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You should get banned for that!!
No on on this forum is making a " generalization " of Christendom. show me one devout christian that doesn't believe in "hell " , doesn't believe we have " free -will " or one that believes Scripture, not the doctrine of men.
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Seems like you just might have made one. Can you prove that there are none. Do you exclude christians who believe in universal salvation?
As I stated in my post it is my opinion. If stating one's opinion is reason for banning then that is a real shame.
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Okay, so you are a universalist, and don't believe in hell, that's fine. do you believe we have free will? and notice I also said, " one that believes Scripture , not doctrine of men".
You shouldn't be banned for stating your opinion, as you say. but what you said about us " being hasty to gerneralize " was a direct attack.
Here are the forum rules, in case you forgot to read them.
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I don't think saying things like " we on this forum are guilty of hasty generalization " is being RESPECTFUL.
PS. universalists understand that all will eventually be saved, but they don't understand the process.
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